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Coyotemax
04-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Well, I was right when I guessed I might not be able to enter this month's competition.

The client for this one (picked up from offsite) has graciously allowed me to post updates and WIP's in here, so feedback is more than welcome :)

This time it's a bit different for me - the challenge will be to go back to my habits from when I first started, and make a small map! The final size will be 640x480, but I've gotten so used to working at large scale, I just have to do this one at double size so i can shrink it later :)

When finished, it will be incorporated into a flash game (moving into version 4, the previous ones were quite successful). I'll see about permission to post links to the current version of the game, if anyone wants.

Anyhow, we're at the planning stage now, and I've even incorporated a compass that borrows elements from one of the game logos.. One of the other things I'll need to train myself out of is the habit of adding a nifty border :)

torstan
04-20-2010, 03:10 PM
Looks fun! Definitely interested to find out about the game. These browser games are getting really popular. I did one recently. Should be able to post a link to it at the end of April or May when it goes live.

Cool compass. Like the colours too. I'm not totally convinced by the coastline. It looks a bit too consistent in the pattern of the rough edge. Also, when you shrink this down I think you might lose that. Otherwise, coming along nicely.

Coyotemax
04-21-2010, 06:08 AM
Yep,. the coastline was left rough all over since I didn't want to put too much work into it until I had the shape finalized. I think this is a lot nicer to look at :)

Not sure about the mountains, they might be a bit too busy once shrunk down, I suspect I'll redo them a bit (though I like the look at the doubled size). I also ran a quick forest test, I'm going to have to go a bit more symbolic than usual on this one due to space restraints.

Coyotemax
04-26-2010, 09:36 PM
Coastline is, I think, finalized. I like it, anyhow :)

I figured out how to do the mountains, I kept the detailed layer and made it more transparent, then outlined the edges overtop, this gives the illusion of detail without making it too busy at the smaller size.
Forests are starting to come together, though I'm not happy with the trunks yet, they need more definition for when they're shrunk (and this was just to get an idea of what was going to happen). I may even keep the forest colour as is, I really like it.

Still messing around with the compass, we'll see how that goes :) I'm under the impression that a legend and/or scale marker won't be needed for this one so I won't bother.

Ascension
04-26-2010, 10:09 PM
I like everything so far but the forests don't mesh with the mtns. Maybe try that lower opacity/quasi-shading there. Love the colors and paper. Personally, the cartoony forests without the extra lines look way cool to me.

rpgmapmaker
04-26-2010, 10:36 PM
First, I love all things hand-drawn and this is a nice start... I agree that the trees are fine without the extra detail but at the same time I think that as long as all the trees of the same type in the same area are alike you will be fine. The extra detail in the trees may, if added to the other trees, make them blend in more with the mountains and the overall look of the map. I the hand drawn style I have noticed that keeping things like trees the same type throughout makes things look planed. I recommend doing a few tests of different types of trees with the mountains to find what you like the best.

This is a test I did some time ago to see what I liked best... I hope it gives you some Ideas.

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Keep it up, you have good color and coastlines, I look forward to seeing the finished map.

-RPGMM

Coyotemax
04-26-2010, 10:36 PM
Thanks for the compliments and suggestions, Forest edge intensity is on the to do list, but i like the idea of going less lines for the inner portion (or fading them - the inner details are on their own layer, whew). now that you mention it, that would work pretty well, and keep them a bit more consistent with the mountains.

Interesting you should comment on them - it's the forests on the edge of your brewhome map that inspired me for these :)

rpgmapmaker: heh, i was responding to Ascensions comment while you were posting :) That's a good point, and yes, i'm getting ideas from them. There's a few changes coming up to get the terrain a bit more in line with the client's wishes, and then i'll see what happens with these new ideas. Thanks!!

Coyotemax
04-27-2010, 04:36 AM
I ended up keeping the original forest style, I just like the feel of it for this map. Messed around with a few layers, and booyah.

Updated the mountains, added hills (though I may redo some of them) and started on towns - I'm happy with the idea behind them, but not sure about the execution.

*bows to Ramah again*

Ramah
04-27-2010, 05:31 AM
Really liking this map, CM.

The palette is great and I actually prefer these mountains to the ones you've used on your last couple of maps. Those mountains on the other maps look good of course, but I recall lots of little lines in the shading which made them look kinda busy to my eyes. Even though these are kinda similar they look somehow cleaner. Maybe it's because the shading is smudged somewhat or because the opacity on them is lower. Dunno but they look great.

As to the execution of the towns... get some shadowing around them to tie them into the map more and they'll look great. :)

Coyotemax
04-27-2010, 07:14 AM
You're right. The mountains are definitely improved for this, and I suspect I'll carry this concept over to future maps as well. Not that I didn't like them before, but this has a feel i'm liking.

The problem i'm running into now is that the towns look good at this size (and likely better once shadowed) but I'm trying to get them to look as good at half size (final version is scaled down from this). I'll have to make them larger, but I'm trying to balance so as not to overload the final product with detail - there's another dozen or so smaller towns that need to go in, some ruins, a few castles, and other oddities.

I'm sure I'll get something useable by tomorrow evening :)

Coyotemax
04-29-2010, 03:14 AM
Ok, I'm trying to not get too cartoony with this, but it's really lending itself to that style.

I *love* the way the mountains came out after the latest work-over.

Plus things are looking better at the 50% size.

Yandor
04-29-2010, 03:36 AM
I thnk this looks wonderful! I don't know of any real way of giving advice for this, but I did notice (maybe its on purpose) but the forest on the bottom left (between the tower and village) the forest looks a bit funny, I think its cause you don't have a defining line between the trunks and the forest top. Just something I noticed that I thought was odd.

Coyotemax
04-29-2010, 03:51 AM
You're right, thanks for pointing that out. Looks like I just need to darken the edge just a little through there.

Good eye! I've been looking at it so much, it just slid right past me.

LonewandererD
04-29-2010, 08:42 AM
Yo looking good, I also noticed the funny forest problem but it's a very minor thing. Loving the hand drawn look of it, looking forward to future updates. Repped.

-D-

Coyotemax
04-29-2010, 08:45 AM
lol thanks! As I was working i was so used to seeing it that it slid right past, but as the the saying goes, once you see it you can't unsee it :)

Fixed!

And now at the point where I find out if there are any last minute requests from the client before calling it done!

*hugs his tablet* I love this thing. I couldn't have done the map without it :)

torstan
04-29-2010, 10:01 AM
Looks very nice. My one suggestion would be to add some shading to the forest to give them a little bulk. They're the only thing on the map without shadows at the moment (sorry for jumping in right at the end).

I love the mountains. They've come out really well.

Coyotemax
04-29-2010, 10:53 AM
No, that's fine - and you're right, they need shading. The thing that annoys me is that I'd thought of that a few days ago and forgot to follow through on it :)

Coyotemax
04-29-2010, 05:54 PM
Augggghhhh I forgot the forest shading again.

Well, i'm getting some sleep before I do anything else (and that's likely why I'm forgetting the shadows again, hah).
I'll also be making some markers for the game to match the location icon style, and then I'm pretty much done.
I ran some colour adjustments so the map will match the other textures used in the game (parchments in the menus etc) and here it is, ready for inclusion into the game screen itself!

Next update will likely be into the finished map thread.

alizarine
04-29-2010, 06:18 PM
Jumping in at the last minute (just joined ^.^; ) to say I love this map. I feel like redoing some of my WIPs in this style. I particularly like how you chose a darker brown to outline the land rather than going for black or giving the land an outer-glow to simulate shallow water (I dunno if I got that out right o.o ). I personally prefer the last-but-one version (without the parchment background) but since I'm not seeing it in context of the other art, that's just my opinion about the map itself ^__^. Hope the client likes it, and I'll be looking for this in the finished maps section!

Coyotemax
04-30-2010, 08:15 AM
Thanks for the compliments! I originally liked the more faded version myself, but the more I look at the parchment intensive one (really, it's a pair of adjustment layers, cirves and levels that are bringing out the underlying parchment details) the more I'm starting to like that one :)

Gidde
04-30-2010, 08:54 PM
I like the more intense one, especially for a flash game (they tend to be very saturated). Gorgeous as usual, CM :)

Coyotemax
05-01-2010, 02:20 AM
Thanks for the comment :)
Thanks for reminding me about the forest shadows, torstan - holycrap do they ever pop out nicely now.

Well, final version has been uploaded to the finished maps (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?10188-Protector-4&p=109863#post109863) thread.

Now I'm looking forward to doing a large map in this style - I love this one, but there's a few areas where I lamented the inability to go nuts with detail :) Still, overall I think I managed to provide the illusion of fine detail.

*happy dance*