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Gidde
05-10-2010, 12:49 AM
I'm reading David Weber's Honor Harrington series for probably the fifth time, and every time I read it I want to map it. This time I'm doing it.

I've taken the maps from all of the books and combined them into a (mostly) consistent scale. The main map is 4px/ly, the Talbott Cluster callout is 3px/ly, and the Silesian Confederacy is considerably zoomed in, but I haven't calculated the exact scale yet.

So here we have a starfield background, the placement of about 90% of the stars, the Manticoran Wormhole and its termini (yellow lines) and the callout layouts.

I'd like to do another callout in the top right, but that may have to be the space for the legend. We'll see how it goes.

For any fans of the books that may notice that the borders of the various polities are a bit out of date, I'm working through this chronologically, so this is showing the political scene as it was in the first few books. The final will show changing of hands throughout the Havenite Wars, and my goal is to show the scene as it is at the end of Mission of Honor. I'll warn folks if there are any spoilers from MoH, in case anyone's waiting for the hard copy to come out in a couple months.

Incidentally, there's a map on the wikipedia page for the books that I'm not using as a reference ... I disagree with some of the artist's interpretations, and it doesn't lend itself well to the scale callouts I'm using.

Sapiento
05-10-2010, 02:47 AM
Cool idea! I love the books!

Gidde
05-10-2010, 08:06 AM
Thanks Sapiento! I'm glad to see a fellow fan of the books :)

wormspeaker
05-10-2010, 12:02 PM
I'd love to see the finished product too. The shifting borders thing sound cool. I always felt that Webber was trying too hard to make technology fit into his "high seas" metaphor and tactics, but that's hardly something to stop me from enjoying some good military space opera. I wonder when his next HSH book is coming out. I'll have to check that.

Now if only a HSH map of this scale could be done with Daelin's Empire of Man style. That would be truly awesome.

Gidde
05-10-2010, 12:07 PM
Thanks for the encouragement and suggestion, wormspeaker! I haven't been following that thread as closely as others since i usually stick to the fantasy side of things, but I'll definitely head over there for some inspiration.

Gidde
05-10-2010, 09:27 PM
Ok, yeah ... wow. That would be quite the project! Not feeling quite that ambitious, lol.

First pass at star labeling here. I didn't notice until I was typing it for the 2nd time that there are 2 Cascas on the map at the beginning of the Short Victorious War. Go figure ;)

Jaxilon
06-24-2010, 03:55 AM
Wow, big job. Great books though so a worthy challenge! Keep going!

tilt
06-25-2010, 04:11 AM
looks really good - and yes, Daelins style would be fantastic here - but since the distances are longer - that map would be huge... *whispers.. go gidde go gidde* ;)
I haven't read the books, but I feel sorry for that lone star to the bottom right that doesn't have a name ;)

wormspeaker
06-28-2010, 01:22 PM
That one should be Hennesy, it's part of the Phoenix Cluster. (It's not mentioned often in the books. The Phoenix Cluster is a minor neutral power located in a quiet corner of of space just outside of the Solarian League if I remember correctly.

http://honorverse.wikia.com/wiki/Manticore_Wormhole_Junction

Gidde
06-30-2010, 12:10 AM
Haha, yeah, it's missing a name because I wanted to find it in the books first. I had seen it named on a previous map, but the spelling looked odd so I was waiting for literary confirmation. Unfortunately, I ran through the books without stopping to map while I read lol ... guess I'll have to read them again (oh shucks) ;)

wormspeaker
07-01-2010, 11:36 AM
The Wiki says that the information is referenced in "On Basilisk Station" and in "The Crown of Slaves." So maybe that will direct your reading intentions. =)

Gidde
07-01-2010, 02:25 PM
Thanks! That does indeed help :)

Przemysław
07-06-2010, 08:59 AM
I'm quite fond of Honor and I like the idea of bettering Weber's maps but could you make it in 3 dimensions?

Gidde
07-06-2010, 09:37 AM
Haha, Przemyslaw, I wish I could. Unfortunately there are 2 stumbling blocks to a 3d honorverse map: the first is lack of information. All of the astrographical info in the books is "galactic north", etc., and all of the maps are 2d. The second is, regrettably, my lack of skill; I don't have the first idea how to go about making a 2d star map look 3d :(

Haven't forgotten this project by the way, just trying to decide which direction to go with it to transform it from bunches of dots and names to something cool.

Przemysław
07-06-2010, 09:46 AM
Haha, Przemyslaw, I wish I could. Unfortunately there are 2 stumbling blocks to a 3d honorverse map: the first is lack of information. All of the astrographical info in the books is "galactic north", etc., and all of the maps are 2d. The second is, regrettably, my lack of skill; I don't have the first idea how to go about making a 2d star map look 3d :(

Haven't forgotten this project by the way, just trying to decide which direction to go with it to transform it from bunches of dots and names to something cool.

Remember and repeat words of your president: I CAN. I CAN. I CAN.

There's always possibility for you to start some more humble projects like 3D maps or schemes of specific star systems. I don't know if it'd be of any help but I've got Polish editions of these two books: The Royal Manticoran Navy and The Havenite Republican Navy.

Gidde
07-06-2010, 09:51 AM
I've never even heard of those books! And I thought I had the whole Honorverse catalog. Are they collections of short stories, or pure companion books?

Przemysław
07-06-2010, 09:56 AM
The exact titles go: Jane's Intelligence Review 1905PD. The Royal... and so on and if you know what the real (from Our World, I mean) Jane's is for and about...

wormspeaker
07-06-2010, 12:31 PM
They are a game supplement from Ad Astra games. Here's a link to one on Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Jaynes-Intelligence-Review-Royal-Manticoran/dp/1934153087

Gidde
07-06-2010, 12:35 PM
Ahh, cool ... so they did actually make a product. I'd heard it was in the works, but not whether they'd actually released anything.