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Sadist
05-19-2010, 10:29 AM
pulled the basic shapes from Werthead's mostly accurate Malazan map. put some textures in etc...
you like?

tilt
05-19-2010, 11:12 AM
first off - you can "go advanced" in your posts and attach the image - then it won't break the frame.. :)
Secondly, yes, it the lands look good - the texts are much to dominating however - they need to be toned a lot down :)

ravells
05-19-2010, 02:01 PM
Looks nice. I'd bring the text down in size (possibly change the font too) as Tilt said. Generally text size correllates to the size of the area it's describing (big for oceans, small for cities and towns)

Aenigma
05-19-2010, 04:16 PM
I agree with the previous posters. The text is too dominant.
On a good note, I really like the clouds. It gives a greater sense of realism.

Aval Penworth
05-19-2010, 07:54 PM
Although I agree with the previous posts, I can see why you would want to give that text concept a try. It does look pretty cool. Might work as an animation sequence in a 3d movie.

Sadist
05-20-2010, 01:59 AM
maybe this is a bit better?

tilt
05-20-2010, 04:22 AM
thats much better. A thing you might concider is using text size to show the size of the element.
Example: town and cities have the smallest size, woods sligthly larger, mountains larger yet, countries and oceans largest.

Sadist
05-20-2010, 07:43 AM
here's a view from Google Earth
map image is overlaid onto the globe

jwbjerk
05-20-2010, 10:05 AM
The new font is more readable.

* You use two different types of drop-shadow like effects. A black one and one that uses the color of the text Is there significance to that? I think the black effect is more readable and more attractive.

* The map is kind of confusing those not familiar with the books, there are big labels all around, but with most it is unlcear weather they indicate a city, region or continent. Dots for cities would help clear that up. You use orange for water features, but it took me a while to figure that out, since orange is kind of counterintuitive in that role.

* Google Earth view: Did you chop the arctic off? Why can't either of the ice caps be seen?

Sadist
05-21-2010, 12:45 AM
jeez, tough crowd, lol
thanks for the feedback from everyone...
I didn't even see the different colored shadows! I should probably wear my contacts when I work on my maps,
got a little lazy I guess...
hope this one is easier to look at
I left the clouds off on this one as well, should help improve the clarity

Aval Penworth
05-21-2010, 01:17 AM
jeez, tough crowd, lol
thanks for the feedback from everyone...
I didn't even see the different colored shadows! I should probably wear my contacts when I work on my maps,
got a little lazy I guess...
hope this one is easier to look at
I left the clouds off on this one as well, should help improve the clarity

Yeah. It can seem a bit rough when you put up your first few posts. You get called on a bunch of stuff that you never even thought of before. But the critique of the forum usually means you end up with a far better end product. Like all areas of life, it is good to surround yourself with people who will hold you to a high standard. However, by the same token, you have to find your own style. And I think what you are doing is pretty cool.

tilt
05-21-2010, 09:18 AM
Now were getting there - looking really good. Now throw in a couple of dots for where the cities are (for those who haven't read the books, and me whose only halfway through the first *lol*) and I'm guessing you're close to your first DONE stamp ;)

Werthead
05-26-2010, 12:03 PM
Excellent maps. The quality of the images is pretty good, and the clarity is improved by the removal of the big names.

However, the actual layout of the world map has been thrown into confusion. Steven Erikson showed the 'canon' world map to the webmasters at Malazanempire.com last year. Although they cannot reproduce the official map for copyright reasons (leading to suggestions that the world map may appear in the forthcoming tenth and final novel in the series, due in January), they were able to give some pointers which threw my earlier maps into some doubt. This thread (http://forum.malazanempire.com/index.php?showtopic=16651&st=0) contains a full discussion about what is going on where.

We haven't reached a new working map so far, but the official information indicates that the unmapped-in-the-book part of Seven Cities (the part west of Jhag Odhan and Sepik Island) is larger than what I have depicted, with Lether located further east. The eastern-most parts of Lether are located south of western Seven Cities (which doesn't make much sense to me but there you go). More confusingly, Jacuruku is apparently located west of Korelri, not east (which clashes with several book references). Assail is described as more of a vertically-oriented, narrow, thin continent. The continent tapers off to the south into an isthmus linked to a larger body of land, which is the Bael subcontinent. Lether is less north-south oriented and has more land to the east and north-east, which is where Kolanse is located (not in the far south). Lether is large, about two-thirds the size of the full Seven Cities continent. The subcontinents of Korel and Stratem (which together form the continent of Korelri) are separated by a huge mountain chain, the Aurgatt Range, as well as a semi-landlocked sea called the Sea of Chimes. The Explorers' Sea or White Spires Ocean is an antarctic ocean located south-west of Korel and Stratem.

Other notes: The ocean to the south-west of Quon Tali is the Horn Ocean (not Norn), the island off the south-west coast of Genabackis is spelled Seguleh (and is apparently one large island surrounded by several smaller rather than just one island by itself). The area travelled by the moving island of Drift Avalii is located much closer to Quon Tali. It may also be worth noting the equatorial ice fields (created by magic) on Quon Tali and Lether. Korelri has also been devastated by a huge meteor-style impact, with the interior filled with myriad lakes and the exterior consisting of many islands that have broken off from the mainland. A map of Korelri is expected to appear in Ian Cameron Esslemont's Malazan novel, Stonewielder, out in November.

For those wanting to know what names refer to what:

Seven Cities, Genabackis, Assail, Lether, Quon Tali, Jakuruku and Korelri are the world's major continents. Korelri is formed by two subcontinents named Korel (in the north) and Stratem (in the south) which appear to have collided, throwing up a huge mountain range between them. 'Seven Cities' technically is only the name for the north-eastern end of the continent, but is used colloquially to refer to the whole landmass.

The Malazan Empire, the most powerful nation in the world, controls the entirety of Quon Tali, the northern coast of Korel, the north-eastern end of Seven Cities and the northern half of Genabackis. The only nation to have checked it is the Shal-Morzinn Empire located in the south-west of the Seven Cities continent, which fortunately is insular and non-expansionist. The capital city of the Malazan Empire is Unta on the eastern coast of Quon Tali, although the city it was born in is Malaz City on Malaz Island off Quon Tali's south-eastern coast.

Other names:

Genostel: an archipelago on the 'far side of the world' to Genabackis. Once very powerful, controlling an empire which extended to Genabackis, but now a backwater.
Cabal: another archipelago located near the Seven Cities continent.
Perish: a powerful, militaristic culture based around the worship of warrior gods, the Grey Helms. Noted for their catamaran and trimaran-based ships, the Thrones of War.
Nemil: a middle-of-the-road medieval kingdom, expansionist and mercantile, currently expanding into the plains and lands near the Jhag Odhan.
Sepik: an island off the north coast of Seven Cities, where the human inhabitants have enslaved the Tiste Edur population and forced them to work for them.
Jhag Odhan: a large wasteland/desert region in the south of the Seven Cities continent. 'Odhans' are deserts or wastes and there are many small ones in the Seven Cities subcontinent, but the Jhag is by far the largest.
Seven Cities subcontinent: located at the north-eastern end of the Seven Cities continent, controlled by the Malazan Empire but prone to violent rebellions. Named for the Seven Holy Cities (Aren, Ubaryd, Karashimesh, Ehrlitan, Ugarat and Yath Alban on the mainland and Karakarang on Otataral Island). A land of deserts, plains and parched forests.
Otataral Island: large island off the north-eastern coast of Seven Cities. Also controlled by the Malazan Empire. Noted as the source of Otataral, a magic-deadening dust which inhibits the function of sorcery.
Falar: an island archipelago, sometimes called a subcontinent, stretching from the north coast of Quon Tali almost to the south coast of Seven Cities. Controlled by the Malazan Empire. Home to many seafaring cultures.
Kartool and Malaz: islands off Quon Tali's eastern coast, dominated by cities sharing the same name. Malaz City is the homeland and first capital of the Empire before its removal to Unta on the mainland.
Drift Avalii: a moving island located to the south-west of Quon Tali, inhabited by an isolationist group of Tiste Andii.
Theft: an island located south-east of Malaz. A powerful city-state and part of the Korelri Compact, an alliance of nations of Korel resisting the Malazan invasion of the continent.
Seguleh: an island off the south-west coast of Genabackis. Controlled by a race of honourable, somewhat humourless warriors obssessed with martial prowess and combat.
Morn: a once-great city in south-western Genabackis, destroyed by various forces millennia ago.
Elingarth: a powerful city-state in south-eastern Genabackis, the home of the elite Grey Swords warrior company.
Quaint: a city-state in south-eastern Genabackis.
Letherii Empire: a powerful nation controlling much of western-central Lether.
Awl'dan: an area of wasteland and steppe in the east of Lether.
Kolanse: a once-great kingdom in the north-east of the Letherii continent, on the Pelasiar Sea.

Hope that helps.

Rhotherian
05-26-2010, 01:12 PM
Great map!! I really like the cloud effect in the textures. Nice improvement with the fonts. ;)

Q: How'd you use Google Earth to orb your map?

Sadist
05-26-2010, 04:02 PM
Wert, you are awesome! I am working on a new project based off your most recent maps as well as the maps from the books. this information is spectacular! now I can go through and work on some more details in the other areas...
of course the official map might just blow everything I do away, but whatever, I'm having fun doing it, and I hope that everyone else will enjoy viewing it as well
Cheers!

Sadist
05-26-2010, 04:08 PM
Great map!! I really like the cloud effect in the textures. Nice improvement with the fonts. ;)

Q: How'd you use Google Earth to orb your map?

It's actually really easy, just go into Google Earth, click Add, Image Overlay, then pick the file you want to view. You'll have to stretch the edges until they meet together, and then stretch them again until they meet at the poles. It's a great way of checking your maps for over-dramatic stretching in the polar regions, which is why I'm moving Genabackis (on my new map) south quite a ways. Or rather, now that I have Werthead's new info I'll be rearranging everything. have fun!

Sadist
05-26-2010, 04:16 PM
pulled the basic shapes from Werthead's mostly accurate Malazan map. put some textures in etc...
you like?

This was most TRULY a pathetic post. My apologies to all cartographers. :(

Werthead
05-26-2010, 04:43 PM
Yup, one of Steven Erikson's only real criticisms of my map was that Genabackis wasn't that far north, and doesn't disappear under the northern polar icecap. I've also had people suggesting that, based on the newer information, maybe Genabackis should be closer to Seven Cities as well, given that there is regular sea travel between the two continents and Quon Tali.

Sadist
05-27-2010, 01:06 AM
ARRG, I'm reading the thread over on Malazempire, I MAY have to put this project on hold for a while. What a bummer, I was really getting into it too.

ravells
05-27-2010, 05:37 AM
It's actually really easy, just go into Google Earth, click Add, Image Overlay, then pick the file you want to view. You'll have to stretch the edges until they meet together, and then stretch them again until they meet at the poles. It's a great way of checking your maps for over-dramatic stretching in the polar regions, which is why I'm moving Genabackis (on my new map) south quite a ways. Or rather, now that I have Werthead's new info I'll be rearranging everything. have fun!

What a great tip! I never knew you could do that with Google Earth! Have some Rep!!

Rhotherian
05-27-2010, 01:44 PM
It's actually really easy, just go into Google Earth, click Add, Image Overlay, then pick the file you want to view. You'll have to stretch the edges until they meet together, and then stretch them again until they meet at the poles. It's a great way of checking your maps for over-dramatic stretching in the polar regions, which is why I'm moving Genabackis (on my new map) south quite a ways. Or rather, now that I have Werthead's new info I'll be rearranging everything. have fun! Thanks alot! ^^ I'll definately be putting this to use. Now, time for me to figure out how this rep-thing works so that I can give you some!

tilt
05-28-2010, 04:50 AM
hi Rhot,
you rep by clicking on the star at the bottom of a post - and feel free to write a little note too. You don't actually give any rep points until you get 10 rep yourself - but its nice to get rep - points or no points - so rep away :)