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psyekl
05-20-2010, 01:27 AM
I've been working on a new series of maps detailing a ruined keep used in one of my games. As with all of my drawings, this map is meant to be offered for sale eventually so I can only post an unfinished image of one level. The drawing itself is pretty much completed; what is missing on this particular map are labels and descriptions, but it gives a good representation of my style. Enjoy :)

tilt
05-20-2010, 04:15 AM
that looks really good, one thing sticks out though - the threes seem out of place since they use a much thicker line that all the other elements on the map :)

Aval Penworth
05-20-2010, 06:13 AM
that looks really good, one thing sticks out though - the threes seem out of place since they use a much thicker line that all the other elements on the map :)

Prolly just the default line width of the CAD program. Architects (my dad was one) often seem to represent fat edged trees FSR.

Looks very nice tho. It actually shows where everything is, something we sometimes overlook in the name of artistry.

Steel General
05-20-2010, 09:21 AM
That castle outline seems familiar... did you base it off of a real plan?

psyekl
05-20-2010, 02:45 PM
The overall shape of the plan is from the keep of Caernarvon Castle in Wales. I have a couple of books of castle plans that I often reference, unfortunately the plans in the book are extremely vague so I take a great amount of artistic liscense in creating whatever layout that suits me. Starting out with a general outline that I find pleasing is a common technique I use when creating plans. In this case, I didn't stray too far from the original inspiration.

As for the trees: They are intended to be symbols of the tree's locations, not actual artistic renderings of trees. I purposefully made their outlines bold so that they would stand out against the plan to avoid any confusion. In drafting it is more important to maintain clarity and legibility than seek to maintain artistic quality; I guess old habits are hard to break lol.

I did forget to mention that this is hand-drawn. No digital editing has been done other than to patch together the multiple scans of the 13"x19" original. I do plan on using Photoshop to add text and to do a little "cleanup".

tilt
05-20-2010, 04:05 PM
As for the trees: They are intended to be symbols of the tree's locations, not actual artistic renderings of trees. I purposefully made their outlines bold so that they would stand out against the plan to avoid any confusion. In drafting it is more important to maintain clarity and legibility than seek to maintain artistic quality; I guess old habits are hard to break lol.

but in mapping your minor elements shouldn't steal the attention from the main ones ;)

psyekl
05-20-2010, 04:23 PM
but in mapping your minor elements shouldn't steal the attention from the main ones ;)

That is definitely a valid opinion, and looking at your graphic design work I can see that you do know a thing or two about composition. I have to say, however, that I still prefer the way I have drawn it here. The tree symbols were intended to "stand out" from the plan, and they do it nicely :)

My train of thought for the way the trees are being represented here is that at this level of the plan the trees pass through the cutting plane. On the next map of the uppermost floors the trees will be drawn artistically as viewed from above, using a thinner line.

ravells
05-20-2010, 04:53 PM
That's a really beautiful drawing. I was wondering how you got such wonderful hatching and tiles and thinking that it looked hand-done (too nice to be computer generated). Great work, psyekl!!

Steel General
05-20-2010, 05:49 PM
The overall shape of the plan is from the keep of Caernarvon Castle in Wales. I have a couple of books of castle plans that I often reference, unfortunately the plans in the book are extremely vague so I take a great amount of artistic liscense in creating whatever layout that suits me. Starting out with a general outline that I find pleasing is a common technique I use when creating plans. In this case, I didn't stray too far from the original inspiration..

I thought it looked familiar, I think I've used that one myself.

tilt
05-21-2010, 04:03 AM
That is definitely a valid opinion, and looking at your graphic design work I can see that you do know a thing or two about composition. I have to say, however, that I still prefer the way I have drawn it here. The tree symbols were intended to "stand out" from the plan, and they do it nicely :)

My train of thought for the way the trees are being represented here is that at this level of the plan the trees pass through the cutting plane. On the next map of the uppermost floors the trees will be drawn artistically as viewed from above, using a thinner line.

Thank you ... and in the end, what ever you like will be right for your map - its as simple as that :)

psyekl
05-21-2010, 11:47 AM
I was wondering how you got such wonderful hatching...

Drawing tedious detail seems to be my "thing" since most of my drawings include it in one form or another. For the record: I put the movie "Avatar" on when I started the hatching and finished the last line just as the credits were concluding...

someguy
05-28-2010, 11:46 PM
Ya know it looks a lot like the floor plan to of the main keep of Caernarfon Castle (http://www.castlewales.com/caernarf.html) in Wales.

edit: that Is the main keep at Caernarfon. I love that castle.

psyekl
05-31-2010, 04:41 PM
Ya know it looks a lot like the floor plan to of the main keep of Caernarfon Castle (http://www.castlewales.com/caernarf.html) in Wales.

edit: that Is the main keep at Caernarfon. I love that castle.

Yep, Steel General recognized it as well. I got the general outline from "The Palladium Book of European Castles" but other than the overall shape it has been heavily modified since the map in the book is useless for anything beyond hinting at a general arrangement.

someguy
06-05-2010, 02:04 AM
What i think would be really cool, is if some one did a really good set of renderings of the hole castle, including the fortified town. A nitty grity one, that maps out everything.

Thats something i'd pay good money for as a game aid.

psyekl
06-05-2010, 05:30 AM
What i think would be really cool, is if some one did a really good set of renderings of the hole castle, including the fortified town. A nitty grity one, that maps out everything.

The whole castle is being rendered; I've already completed from the basement to the 3rd story. Due to the complexity of the floorplan I was planning on including a couple of views of the castle as seen from different angles to put the plans into perspective for the average, non-architect gamer. I hadn't planned on including any structures beyond the keep, but it's a good idea for a future project.

Ytse
07-19-2010, 10:36 PM
A book on castles! What a great idea for inspiration.

The castle looks fantastic! You said it's hand-drawn; it looks so clean! Did you clean things up in Illustrator? (I'm a total n00b to mapping.)

Dyluth
09-19-2010, 01:43 PM
A brilliant illustration indeed sir, even more so as it was hand drawn. I just love ruins of all kinds, they make for amazing combat scenes and great places for ancient mysteries and discoveries. I can't wait to see the basement level and these illustrations of the structure from other perspectives as well.