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Thereh
08-26-2010, 06:38 AM
What are the differences between CC3 and fractal terrains pro?

Say, i want to draw a 3D map and project it using any map projection method to 2D map, should i use CC3 or FT pro?

And if i'd like to analyze weather condition, climate, distance etc, which one should i use?

thx.

NeonKnight
08-26-2010, 07:05 AM
Fractal Terrains is a progarm that is seperate from CC3, that can generate worlds, and then export those maps to CC3 for further refining.

As to 3d maps, a little more information please.

Thereh
08-26-2010, 07:37 AM
As to 3d maps, a little more information please.

Oh, sorry, that was a mistake since i write '2D' and automatically compared it to '3D'. What i mean is: "i want to draw a SPHERICAL map and project it using any map projection method to 2D map'.

I want to make a new planet with its own measure and geography but with same spherical shape and similiar planetary system as earth, and i need to do geographical analysis such climates etc. Which one between CC3 ant FTpro suit me the best? Or are there programs better suit me?


Just heard about digital cartography moments ago and dont know a thing....

NeonKnight
08-26-2010, 09:52 AM
Ahhh....Probably Fractal Terrains. But with FT, you make the map (the world really), but you could then export to CC3 to make the maps themselves.

See the following link. I made a new Campaign World (roughly earth sized, similar tilt etc.) in Fractal Terrains, and then exported to CC3 to make the regional maps.

http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?1421-New-Campaign-World

Midgardsormr
08-26-2010, 11:27 AM
Neither one will do much analysis for you. Fractal Terrains works by creating a heightmap using fractal noise algorithms, then it lays in some "guestimate" climates and calculates where the rivers will likely be when generating an image of the world. It has some issues, though, such as always placing mountain ranges in the center of a landmass and being unable to account for terrain contributions to biomes. I don't recall whether it can reproject the world or not. There is, however, a freeware tool that can do that called Flex Projector.

CC3 is a CAD (Computer Aided Design) program customized for fantasy mapping. It can make fractalized lines to quickly create coastline and river features, numerous drawing tools for contours, and it comes with symbol collections for making stamp-based maps. If you look through the Profantasy website, you'll see lots of samples of images created with CC3, which should give you an idea of what it does. It does come with some measurement tools, but that's the extent of its analysis capabilities. It is mostly an image-creation tool.

For actual geographic analysis, you'll need a GIS (Geographic Information System). These take quite a bit of effort to learn, since they are very powerful professional tools. I think there is a free one available, but I don't recall what it is. Even so, a GIS is not a generator, only an analysis tool.

For creating weather, climate, etc, there isn't yet a tool we're aware of that can do it programatically, but there are resources to help you do it manually, such as the Climate Cookbook (http://www-users.york.ac.uk/~fc503/geoff/climate.html).

Fractal Terrains and the Campaign Cartographer are excellent tools, but you should be aware of what they do and do not do before purchasing.

Thereh
08-27-2010, 03:55 AM
Thx for the info. I'm currently learning to use arcGIS (9.3), but with no avail. So i'm looking for simpler version.

Btw, what's the newest version of CC3 and FT pro? And how big the file size is? I think im going download it, since my country is not listed on the retailer list.

@neonknight: you got wonderful world there.

NeonKnight
08-27-2010, 05:00 AM
Thx for the info. I'm currently learning to use arcGIS (9.3), but with no avail. So i'm looking for simpler version.

Btw, what's the newest version of CC3 and FT pro? And how big the file size is? I think im going download it, since my country is not listed on the retailer list.

@neonknight: you got wonderful world there.

Thanx.

If you do go for the Download, see if you can at least get the Disks mailed to you. Even with the disks you can always download.

Wolf63
09-01-2010, 04:58 AM
Thx for the info. I'm currently learning to use arcGIS (9.3), but with no avail. So i'm looking for simpler version.

Btw, what's the newest version of CC3 and FT pro? And how big the file size is? I think im going download it, since my country is not listed on the retailer list.

@neonknight: you got wonderful world there.

CC3 is the newest version and its size is 450 mb

AHawk
12-21-2010, 04:40 PM
how will I know it that software is right for me. I feel like I need training wheels!

jbgibson
12-28-2010, 11:00 AM
@ AHawk -- we have those training wheels -- a whole boatload of tutorials. Like the original poster was advised - look around at examples of maps made with tool X ( tool CC3, tool FT) and see if you like the results. Then look up tuts that relate to the specific package you want. Some tools are close enough you can use a tutorial intended for a different one - with some creative bending and interpretation, some have applied Photoshop tuts to the Gimp, for instance. Won't be a perfect match, and some methods are tough
to translate.

At some point, you just have to buy the bicycle, and try it out! At least FT, CC3, Serif's PhotoPlus and DrawPlus, and some others are reasonably priced - won't kill most of us to try. If you see effects you "need" Photoshop for ... ehh, yeah, that's buying a whole car, so you want to be pretty sure it'll suit you. Really, from what users say, the Gimp can do about anything you would want PS to do, just in sometimes differing ways.... its price is certainly no barrier (free!), only the learning curve might give you pause. On the other hand, if you have use for some heavy-duty graphics capability for work or play or both, PhotoShop will sure take you everywhere you want to go - same large learning curve, of course.

Tell us what you want to do, and we'll help you find some training wheels and an appropriate bike!

AHawk
12-29-2010, 01:58 PM
Thank you for the quick reply. I'm going to have to look around, watch, comment and buy something soon!.

NeonKnight
12-29-2010, 02:37 PM
And with CC3, yes the learning curve is steep, but it does make really nice maps :D

AHawk
12-31-2010, 10:01 AM
so what I need to concentrate on is one, what is best for me, Two, what has training wheels!, and lastly , three, what is cost effective. So did everyone start off is like PS or CC1 (Back in dinosaur days?) and I just missed the boat. Damn that alarm clock!

Jaxilon
12-31-2010, 11:29 AM
Well, I don't know about the rest of them but I started with the Gimp when I signed up here about a year ago....was it that long ago? HOLY COW!

I had never done anything in the digital realm and this is pretty much the only website I dug around in. I think it depends on what you want to do - Gimp is like the Opensource version of Photoshop but they are not exactly the same and when I first used it to follow a tutorial I was terrible. I may have learned faster if I would have forced myself to sit down and go through all the tutorials but I tend to get frustrated with that and go off on my own. It's been a fun journey nonetheless and I am still learning new things but I am becoming a lot happier with being able to take what's in my mind and put it down.

I think CC3 is more of a stamp tool but I could be wrong. I wanted to be able to do whatever I wanted and that might mean more than maps so I never really gave it more than a passing glance.
If you have no artistic skills you can still get a lot of nice brushes (stamps) on this website as well as others that will allow you to make maps that are awesome so I don't think you can go really wrong.

If there is a downside to PS or Gimp I think it might be that it is definitely an open sandbox. However, with the great tutorials as well as support of this community I don't think it'll be a problem. It might take you a bit before you are doing cartwheels but if you want it, it will come.

jtougas
12-31-2010, 11:56 AM
Well, I don't know about the rest of them but I started with the Gimp when I signed up here about a year ago....was it that long ago? HOLY COW!

I had never done anything in the digital realm and this is pretty much the only website I dug around in. I think it depends on what you want to do - Gimp is like the Opensource version of Photoshop but they are not exactly the same and when I first used it to follow a tutorial I was terrible. I may have learned faster if I would have forced myself to sit down and go through all the tutorials but I tend to get frustrated with that and go off on my own. It's been a fun journey nonetheless and I am still learning new things but I am becoming a lot happier with being able to take what's in my mind and put it down.

I think CC3 is more of a stamp tool but I could be wrong. I wanted to be able to do whatever I wanted and that might mean more than maps so I never really gave it more than a passing glance.
If you have no artistic skills you can still get a lot of nice brushes (stamps) on this website as well as others that will allow you to make maps that are awesome so I don't think you can go really wrong.

If there is a downside to PS or Gimp I think it might be that it is definitely an open sandbox. However, with the great tutorials as well as support of this community I don't think it'll be a problem. It might take you a bit before you are doing cartwheels but if you want it, it will come.

Tutorials..? Ahh that's what normall people do.. Darn.. But seriously you can't really go wrong with any of the software that's out there once you decide just what it is you want to accomplish.. :)

Midgardsormr
12-31-2010, 08:53 PM
1: Look at maps you like, find out if there are tutorials on how to make them, and use the tools that the tutorial author uses.
2: You'll find tons of resources for Gimp and Photoshop, quite a few for CC3 if you know where to look, and almost nothing for Inkscape. Of all the graphics/mapping software I've used, I actually found Corel PhotoPaint the easiest to get immediate results with, although I got some good images out of CC3, and I now use Photoshop. I found Gimp to clunky for my tastes at the time, and it didn't offer me anything that I couldn't get with PhotoPaint.
3: Everybody has to start sometime, and you can quickly reach a point where relative skill comparisons are negligible. It's just like Chess: just because there are grandmasters playing right now doesn't mean it's too late to take up the game as a novice.