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Gallifreyan
09-04-2010, 04:21 PM
So, for this challenge I'm going to make an 18th century style map of the Battle of Long Island (Aka Battle of Brooklyn). I'll be using the embedded map as the main source material.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Battle_of_Long_Island.Dean.USMA.edu.history.gif
Source: Wikipedia

No WIP yet, just reserving the idea. I'll get started once I am on the home desktop.

mearrin69
09-04-2010, 06:55 PM
Awesome! I love military maps - have a ton of WWII and Civil War era books but, oddly, don't know much about the Revolutionary War. Looks like a tough battle. I'm assuming "we"* lost this one?
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* "we" being the Americans, since I am one, just in case you're not. :)

Gallifreyan
09-04-2010, 07:59 PM
We lost the battle, but won the war. I chose the Battle of Long Island because it seemed the best NYC battle for a map. BTW, I'm starting on the map about now, there should be a WIP today or tomorrow.

mearrin69
09-04-2010, 09:11 PM
Sounds cool. Looking forward to it. BTW, *I* know we won the war but apparently my British co-workers do not...they refuse to acknowledge that we don't work on the 4th of July (although they do like me to send pictures of the crazy Yank pyros in my neighborhood blowing stuff up). :)
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Gallifreyan
09-05-2010, 05:56 PM
Got started on a map last night and now I have the some progress on. I don't think that the geography is 100% accurate, but as long as their are not a any big errors it is OK. Do you think that any features should be added or removed? I used the map in the upper-right corner of this image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/New_york_retreat_1776.jpg) as the basis for the land.

If you know of any better maps that show the NYC from Brooklyn to Upper Manhattan w/o any docks could you please post a link to it?

Edit: I just thought about using the embedded image on the first post as the basis map.

I am thinking of putting the Battle of Harlem Heights (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Harlem_Heights) also in this map. The Battle of Long Island took place in Brooklyn and the other was in Upper Manhattan so both should be able to fit together. I will put a divider (probably a straight or dashed line) on the map to separate the to battles.

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Gallifreyan
09-13-2010, 01:10 AM
I decided to use the source map as base for the coast. In the blank area to the right of the image I am going to write a background of the battles and/or a step-by-step overview of the battle.

Some acknowledgements: I learned how to do the woodcuts from a tut by RobA (http://www.cartographersguild.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=24173&d=1272392957) and the parchment background from Gidde's hand drawn map tutorial (based from RobA's tut), although a texture overlay and film grain was added, and I used a different color. The color was taken from a real map with the colorzilla add-on for Firefox.

I also put coloring on the coast showing the controlling power (red = British, blue=Americans). It switches from red to blue halfway through the map because Britain took control of New York after their victory at the Battle of Long Island. Should the color also go around the title boxes? I am going to desaturate the color later. The straight line in the middle of the map separates the two battles.

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Gallifreyan
09-13-2010, 04:29 PM
Here is the latest update. I didn't like the woodcuts so much, so I went with rings. Any C&C?

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mearrin69
09-13-2010, 04:38 PM
My only feeling on it would be fewer rings, though this is perfectly fine.
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Juggernaut1981
09-14-2010, 01:25 AM
Fewer rings... maybe "scatter dots" instead of solid lines...

Gallifreyan
09-29-2010, 03:28 AM
I haven't been able to work on the map much because of midterms. But now I am done with them and have time to work on the map.

The main update is the addition of roads. Some of the parts of the roads look really pixelated, any way to fix that?

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ravells
09-29-2010, 10:11 AM
I don't use Gimp, but the aliased roads could mean that you might need a bigger document size? Could you upscale and blur the roads a bit?

Gallifreyan
09-29-2010, 11:37 AM
Thanks for the tip ravells! I tried scaling it up 200% then redoing the roads but all that came up was more pixelated pixels.

Next I tried converting the (road) selection to a path then stroked the path, and it worked! :D There are some parts that need to be cleaned up around the shorelines, so I'll do that now.

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ravells
10-01-2010, 01:36 PM
that's an incredible difference on the roads! Glad you found the solution!

Gallifreyan
10-19-2010, 02:23 PM
I removed the coloring of the land because there was a lot of confusion on who was the controlling power, now I think it looks more like it was "made" in the 18th Century. Then I "tightened" up the rings and added some blue around the coast. Some of roads were also changed to be more similar to the roads in in real 18th century maps.

Hills and towns were added too. The black dots are taverns/inns (which I might remove) and the squares are forts for now. The swampy areas and creeks still need to be added and then I'll put the battle plan.

BTW, the font used is 18th Century (http://www.dafont.com/18th-century.font) from dafont.

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Gallifreyan
10-26-2010, 04:43 PM
Here is the latest WIP. The map was scaled down from 16 x 24 to 11 x 17 so that my computer doesn't crash every time I do something to it.

the battle tactics for both battle are nearly done. Only the British flanking movement and arrows have to be added. The "boxes" representing troops were made to show units and size. The British and Hessians were in much denser formation than the Patriots. After that, I will add labels, a key, and a legend.

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Gallifreyan
10-27-2010, 10:12 PM
Nearly finished! :) I am done putting down the strategies. Next labels, a key, the legend, and one marsh will be added. Any comments or critiques?

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Sapiento
10-28-2010, 01:53 AM
Looks great. Do you intend to put flags in the legend? Might give it some extra touch.

tilt
10-28-2010, 04:02 AM
looks good and I agree with Sapiento some flags or the like would be cool - looking forward to see the finished map :9

Gallifreyan
10-29-2010, 11:42 PM
Thanks for the compliments! I put the flags in legend like you suggested, they're still a bit out of place because I haven't displaced/bump mapped it yet. The labels are nearly finished, by tomorrow the ink should bleed :P. Some more labels, key, the rest of the legend, and one marsh need to be added.

BTW, do I have Sunday to work on the map? By this I mean, will the threads be locked on Sunday or Monday?

P.S. The main font is Neuton Medium and the title font is Old Style.

P.S. 2: Are there any necessary tweaks for the map before I upload the finished map?

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Jaxilon
10-30-2010, 01:18 AM
Cool, I like the clean look of it.

Man I have so tanked on this challenge. I am pretty sure I'm not going to finish mine because I just don't have enough oomph right now.

tilt
10-30-2010, 07:29 AM
*passes Jaxilion a big bucket of oomph* :)

looks good G, like the colors and flags - remember to tell the difference of the arrows in the legend :)

Crayons
10-31-2010, 07:25 AM
Very nice!
A technical note on flags. The British Union flag of 1776 would not have had the red saltire of Ireland - St Patrick's cross. This was added in 1801 after the Act of Union. Nit-Picky, but some people get nerdy about these things! (WHo me????):D

ravells
10-31-2010, 08:16 AM
Really lovely and clean - love the colours. Just one observation: the type might be 'too clean'. Try putting the tiniest bit of black outer glow on the type to suggest inkbleed. Might also be worth trying a font which is slightly distressed around the edges like antique roman.

Beautiful work!

Gallifreyan
10-31-2010, 02:17 PM
Thanks for the compliments!! Unless there are any big mistakes, I am calling it finished. I think the biggest update is the addition of the key. It is quite big because I had a big space to fill.

@ Crayons: Thanks for the tip! I didn't realize the difference of the two flags, because they look so similar.

@ Ravells: I made the "ink" bleed by using a Gaussian Blur less than 1 px. I have some faded/distressed fonts, but they look really messy when there are many words. This map (http://www.sonofthesouth.net/revolutionary-war/maps/long-island-battle-map.jpg) of the Battle made in October of 1776 (as well as most old maps) has pretty clear serif characters and I think that they were handwritten. The ink did not bleed in the last WIP because it wasn't finished.

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ravells
10-31-2010, 03:12 PM
That looks so much better with the bleed. Are you going to do the same with the coloured text too? Now I can see the end result I agree it's a lot better without a distressed font.

Gallifreyan
10-31-2010, 06:38 PM
Oh, oops, didn't realize that I skipped that layer. Thanks for the catch ravells :). Now this the final version (I hope).

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