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09-05-2010, 02:24 AM
Hi everybody. This is my first post, but I've lurked here forever. I'll look at all the finished maps, try out a few tutorials for fun, make a couple of maps that I'd never show anybody, but I never thought that I would actually post anything. I'm sure there are a lot of people here like that, but this challenge was just too good to pass up. Everybody beat me to the post-apocalyptic maps, so I went in the other direction. I'm making an alternate reality modern New Amsterdam tourist map. Basically it's a combination of this kind of map:
http://mappery.com/maps/Manhattan-Tourist-Map-2.mediumthumb.jpg
and this kind of map:
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ryker2/Manhattan1.gif
I'm making it in PS with vectors, which is new for me, and here's what I have so far. I'm trying to give it the feel of a brochure you would pick up at a newspaper stand or something. Overall I like the concept, but I'm sort of burned out on ideas for more stuff to cram in, and I've kind of hit my talent limit as far as those buildings go.

I always like detailed WIPs, so even though this one is sort of obvious...

Basically I just traced a vector around Manhattan and Brooklyn. Then I drew paths along some historic roads, some real roads, and some made up roads, and stroked them:
http://i53.tinypic.com/rcqxz5.jpg

Then I added some buildings. Mostly I photoshopped some pictures together and then traced vectors around them (with a touch pad, blech) to get the vectors. I hope that's allowed, because I definitely can't draw a statue without a little help. I'm pretty sure I stole the idea for the statue of justice from a book or a game, but I don't remember what it was.
http://i52.tinypic.com/yj6dj.jpg

And then I used wikipedia to get some names and ideas for flavor, and that's where I am now:
http://i55.tinypic.com/30jn09t.jpg

I'd really appreciate any help, advice, criticism, etc. that anybody has to offer, but basically I just hope that I can give a little something back for the hours of enjoyment you guys have given me. Thanks.

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Gallifreyan
09-05-2010, 03:09 AM
Welcome to the Guild! The map looks pretty cool. You did a good job with the names and the coupons was a nice touch for a visitor's map.

tilt
09-05-2010, 03:47 AM
hehe nice... and congrats on entering your first challenge - and have some rep for your first upload of a map :)

mearrin69
09-05-2010, 12:07 PM
Cool idea. Welcome to the Guild...and have some rep for jumping in with both feet!
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09-05-2010, 01:10 PM
Thanks for the support everybody. Right now I'm trying to overcome lack of talent with obsessive compulsion. I think it looks a little better, but I'm probably going to have to make more buildings to get anywhere from here. If anybody has any other ideas, I'd love to hear them.

http://i54.tinypic.com/8wbq76.jpg
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Coyotemax
09-05-2010, 02:37 PM
This is coming along nicely! I like the coupon idea.. Just as a thought, I've seen a similar styled map (though more cartoony) that had the coupons as a border around the entire map, that might be a thought if you're *really* dedicated (or insane) lol (then again, that's what I'd be doing so who am i to talk)

I might suggest that to make it pop more, have buildings/icons at each of the numbered spots.. you have them at a few, and to me those are the things that draw my eye. Even it's just the "Attractions" locations.

I also had a thought about the variety of fonts in use, typically you don't want to overdo it, maybe 3 at the most, but in a map like this different fonts and styles might work to your advantage, as long as they are consistent between what types of things they label (and I would toss that rule out for the ads - i've never seen fonts stay consistent between dozens of business cards, lol).

Coyotemax
09-05-2010, 02:50 PM
Oh I almost forgot to add..


Then I added some buildings. Mostly I photoshopped some pictures together and then traced vectors around them (with a touch pad, blech) to get the vectors. I hope that's allowed, because I definitely can't draw a statue without a little help.

Um, not only would that be allowed (as you're making them your own) but holycarp, you're doing this with a touchpad? you're brave! I would figure mouse at least, if not tablet for this kind of thing.

Diamond
09-05-2010, 03:34 PM
Great idea, in fact, awesome idea. I love alternate history almost as much as I love zombies and post-apocalyptic goodness, so this one definitely appeals to me. :D I agree about adding in more buildings; what you might do is fill in every block with buildings, but make them a gray just a few shades darker than the background. That way you fill up all that empty space, but don't detract from the important attractions/buildings.

edit: Oh, and I really like the fact that the WIC building is a big black monolith - is that a subtle hint that they're Evil Corporate Overlords? :D

geamon
09-05-2010, 03:46 PM
Nice concept man, really dig it have some rep.

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09-05-2010, 05:13 PM
Thanks for the help and encouragement, everybody.


Just as a thought, I've seen a similar styled map (though more cartoony) that had the coupons as a border around the entire map.
Actually, the map (Charleston, SC) I was looking at for inspiration is like this. The only reason my map isn't already like that is because there's no room, but maybe I'll just make it bigger.


Oh, and I really like the fact that the WIC building is a big black monolith - is that a subtle hint that they're Evil Corporate Overlords? :D
Yes, yes it is. I was looking for other ways to add in a little Weyland Yutani, but I'm kind of drawing a blank. I tried to commercial it up as much as possible, and it definitely feels corporate, but it needs an extra bit of evil.
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09-05-2010, 06:51 PM
Not really much new, just a couple more buildings, and the folds.
http://i51.tinypic.com/2uq0z86.jpg

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Gallifreyan
09-05-2010, 07:59 PM
Folds look great, this map is coming together quite nicely!

tilt
09-06-2010, 01:13 AM
if you go through the member introductions we had a guy that posted a map there a couple of months ago - a map of a indian city I believe - that map was packed with information, maybe you could draw some inspiration from that for more stuff to put in? :)

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09-06-2010, 10:21 AM
I think I found it:
madurai map. (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?10914-madurai-map)

Wow. That's... wow.
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tilt
09-08-2010, 03:25 AM
yep... so now you hopefully have some more ideas ;)
One thing I would add to the map would be a border. Either a simple one, or an advertisement filled one :)

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09-08-2010, 10:58 PM
Ok, I needed a little more room, and there were just to many good suggestions in here, so I half started over. Here's what I've got so far, more room for ads, more room for text, more room for whatever. It needs even more buildings now, and I'll have to redo the roads, but I think I like the layout better. Obviously the ads are just a cut/paste mock-up for now. The only thing I like less is the positioning of the statue, but I think I can work it out. Any suggestions?

http://i53.tinypic.com/vxz2g4.jpg
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tilt
09-09-2010, 01:13 AM
youi got a lot of ads ahead of you, but what fun to make up all those places :)
You need some space for a map key - I suggest you remove the middle bottom ads to make room for that :)

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09-19-2010, 11:10 AM
Just a quick update. Added some roads, some buildings, some labels, some ads. Still needs lots more detail. Any advice about labeling or layout would be appreciated. It also seems a little jagged to me. It's all vectors so I tried playing with the dpi, but that didn't really seem to help.

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tilt
09-19-2010, 01:06 PM
looks good - of course as you know, vector don't "jag", but when you convert to bitmap some lines can look jagged as its now pixelgraphics instead - but everything looks fine to me :)

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10-03-2010, 11:24 AM
More buildings, more ads, more streets, and some minor changes.

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Crayons
10-03-2010, 05:24 PM
Are you going to go for the old "555-" code thing for fake telephone numbers?

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10-07-2010, 06:13 PM
Another small update. I'm not sure if I like the neighborhoods colored in like this, and I'm running out of ideas for buildings and ads, but I think I can get there in time. I feel like I need to do something with the street names. All caps? banners? I don't know.

Crayons, I did 8 digit phone numbers, do you think it needs a 555 as well?

Any suggestions for improvement are appreciated, thanks!


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Crayons
10-07-2010, 09:20 PM
555 numbers? I don't really know, I presume 8 digits won't connect anywhere but... the only thing you can be certain of is stupidity!:D

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10-08-2010, 05:17 PM
No big changes, just trying to power through these ads.
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10-12-2010, 03:39 AM
Sort of running out of steam for these advertisements, so I went back to populating the map with buildings. If anybody has any ideas for ads or anything I'd love to hear them.

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Aval Penworth
10-12-2010, 06:23 AM
The Ads all need to have a phone number and/or Web address. No one would place and ad without contact details. Also in the real Manhattan, you can get virtually anything delivered to your apartment or hotel. So I think New Yorkers would appreciate the the joke of absolutely crazy deleveries.

rdanhenry
10-13-2010, 07:05 PM
Are the sightseeing buses "purlpe" on purpose? I think it's a typo, but what do I know about Dutch?

Needs more windmills, wooden shoes, ice skates, and legal recreational drug shops. Or not, but those would be my stereotypical Dutch feature suggestions.

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10-13-2010, 07:26 PM
Good stuff, thanks.
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10-16-2010, 01:04 AM
Kind of slow going right now. I updated some of the older buildings, and added some new ones, but it still feels like it'll need a lot more :?. I didn't think it would be this much work! My laptop is starting to lag whenever I open the thing.

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Crayons
10-16-2010, 02:27 AM
It's already a visual feast!

Haseri
10-17-2010, 10:42 AM
Man, this is awesome. I want to see more of this world.

tilt
10-19-2010, 05:38 AM
thats comming along nicely, and very neat too :) ... if you got a problem loading the file - then flatten layers for all the ads - you can always go back to the original and change stuff if needed. If you use photoshop of course :)

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10-25-2010, 01:48 AM
Ok, I finally think I'm getting somewhere. It doesn't really feel done done, but its close enough that I wont lose any sleep if I can't update again. It was a lot of fun, and a lot more work than I thought. I learned a lot about New York history, and vector graphics, and I learned not to make something like this on an old laptop with a touchpad.

I tried to keep it as 'accurate' as possible. Most of the location names are real names from New Amsterdam and correspond to current anglicized names, Krom Moerasje = Gramercy, Boswijk = Bushwick, etc. I named roads and buildings after GWC directors or councilors, or prominent Dutch American families, I was happy that Chrysler turned out to be dutch, because I got to make an alternate universe Chrysler building (my favorite skyscraper, hands down).

I really had a good time, and I'd like to thank everybody again for your help and encouragement. If anybody has suggestions, fire away.


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