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geamon
10-20-2010, 02:53 PM
Wanted to get something done to get my ass in gear for this one. I think this is pretty apparent from my previous map entry what I would tackle. I know we are supposed to do only one map but I want to do it justice and complete all floors. I'll worry about presentation when I'm done with each floor. Trying to keep it in the realm of the same style as my previous submission. Starting off with the roof and working my way down. Ground level outside isn't complete nor have decided if I wanna include the stables next door in this map. Any input is appreciated.

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geamon
10-20-2010, 05:07 PM
Update #1: Worked a lot on the shadows, looking to have it look like it's a snapshot taken at sundown. Hoping it isn't overbearing. Also added the tree, unfortunately trees aren't my forte I need to learn how to make them look good. Probably gonna see a lot of revision on the tree.

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geamon
10-20-2010, 11:05 PM
Update #2: Removed the tree, was irritating me haha. Started on the first floor layout and work. Added the stable roof and interior as well. I know the stables haven't been really worked much they kinda don't mesh with the entirety of the map. Looking for input on the interior texture choice and layout so far. I know I've worked hard on it today, total of 8 hours. :D

Edit: The second jpeg won't thumbnail I don't know why.

Edit #2: Got it!

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Jaxilon
10-20-2010, 11:51 PM
I know it's early days but I figure since you asked I would just toss 0.02 cents in. :)
I love the texture itself but the grass areas have a tile effect going on that is a bit bothersome. You did say you were not done with that part of the map though so you may already have plans for that.

Is the roof made out of stone bricks? Zoomed in it looks more like bricks than tiles to me. If so you have "bent" bricks along the North/South roof ridges and while I guess it's possible to cut them that way it seems odd. I've done modern roofing during some years of my life but I'm not really up on what the roof of an Abbey should look like. I also would agree that most probably don't really care what the roof looks like so long as the "real map" part is good.

Other than that it's looking good so far.

geamon
10-21-2010, 09:44 PM
Yeah I'm figuring the roof would be more as a title page and was thinking about presenting the finished work as a map pack or published product even though it wont be. The grass was just a filler texture for the time being, I have a higher res version of it but I'm not sure if it's too high scale prob need to do some adjustments there. Besides I was thinking about putting my tree in that corner and title block/floor numbering there as well (undecided). You're right about the roof being brick, I thought with enough work it could look more like stone slabs not actual shingles and get away with it. Thanks for the input I'll try and keep an editing eye on those elements.

geamon
10-23-2010, 09:32 PM
Update #3: I've been playing around a lot with shadowing and lighting with this type of map recently. Let me know if these windows look realistic/appropriate to this style. The outside is empty and blurred out and again placeholder struggling with the outside.

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Alcairdazar
11-02-2010, 03:23 AM
Nice work. I think the windows look perfect. One thing that would be really cool is if you had a vague outline of god or a cross in the light from the rainbow window (can't remember what they're called).

tilt
11-02-2010, 04:31 AM
looks really good - a thing that spring to mind is the access ways to the church, normally you will have a clear path unto the alter - so you'll go through double doors into the weapon chamber and straight on towards a second pair of double doors into the church ship itself. This is to facilitate not only the people using the church, but also coffins for funerals.

geamon
11-02-2010, 10:02 AM
Weapon chamber? This is an abbey.....

tilt
11-02-2010, 10:15 AM
I'm not sure if its called the same in english - just translating from the danish word for it :) ... it is the chamber where visitors deposited their weapons before entering the church itself, so a sort of wardrobe room :)

geamon
11-04-2010, 12:03 AM
For submitting the end result is it acceptable to submit in the form of a layered PDF ? I know thumbnails captures the first page of a PDF so I think the scrapper can pick it up. I'll have to test it, but want confirmation first.

tilt
11-04-2010, 02:35 AM
yes, you can submit in a pdf, layered or unlayered. The scraper will pick up the first page. :)

geamon
11-04-2010, 02:45 AM
Awesome that's what I wanted to hear. Here my latest update on this project. Fleshed out most floors, the basement and outside are still placeholders. Next step is adding furniture and objects. The chapel portion is a vaulted ceiling hence why its the same on every floor. Going to try and add some height perspective with the walls I have an idea for this but it will have to wait until the first floor is furnished. On the third floor there is a balcony open to the top of the chapel portion let me know if its working or not. Also haven't fully decided yet but thinking about putting architectural elements like pillars but unsure the best way to do this. Also thinking about doing sectional cut outs of the tree mid trunk/ mid branches/ then top, not sure how this will work out but we will see. Needless to say a lot of work ahead of me to finish this one. As always input always welcome.

P.S. Is there any scripts or add-ons to GIMP to export to a PDF file, more specifically a layered PDF? This would ease the work tremendously if someone is aware of any.

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geamon
11-05-2010, 05:21 PM
I'm having issues doing the furnishings for the building, I'm trying to make all objects as opposed to importing them and hitting some snags. Anyone know any tutorials or links that can help, hell any tips are welcome.

Larb
11-05-2010, 05:57 PM
I think what you have so far looks very nice!

As for creating furniture, the way I do it it is generally: Make the basic shape on a seperate layer, add a stroke and a slight drop shadow to it. Then I sketch in details and texture with a one pixel brush using my tablet pen. For any bits that stick up or have to stick out on the object, I will do that on a seperate layer with its own stroke.

As for architectural elements, your nave/chancel probably has a nice hammerbeam roof so won't need any pillars. As for the other bits, a good general rule is you want to put pillars to make sections "square" so that the load of the roof is evenly distributed I guess. Perhaps that kinda topic would make for a good tutorial at some point!

geamon
11-05-2010, 06:02 PM
Uhhhh I know that's my problem no tablet. Haha I've been trying something generally along the lines of what your suggesting, unfortunately to poor results.

geamon
11-07-2010, 02:12 AM
After working with my first floor today I was able to get some success on making some objects, I think I'm getting a better grasp on it. Added tree cutaway mid-trunk and pews within the chapel. Let me know what you think. Also messed around with some hueing and made a more Gothic feeling one just for fun which I think I'm going to apply to a later project.

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Alcairdazar
11-08-2010, 12:51 PM
Nice job, I like it. For the pews, maybe you could add some variation to the texture? The pews each side appear to be duplicates of each other.

geamon
11-08-2010, 03:57 PM
Here's a test on layered PDF's. Let me know if there is any issues opening it.

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RjBeals
11-08-2010, 04:35 PM
very cool - opened the pdf no problem and show/hid layers.

Aval Penworth
11-08-2010, 04:41 PM
That works fine. You can peel back each layer to see the next. The roof layer being the last layer on the layer list is kinda counter-intuitive. You need to click on the layers from the bottom to the top to look at the maps from the top to the bottom.

geamon
11-08-2010, 05:19 PM
It's because that's how Adobe has them ordered. It's the reverse of how GIMP and PS organize the layers. Also once added you can't change the order manually aside from re-adding the layers one at a time in the order you want. Not a very intuitive feature for their software in my opinion. Then again I could be doing it all wrong and just don't know how to use the software. Used Adobe Acrobat Pro 9 to make it, didn't know I could get a licensed version from my dad who is a retired community college teacher. The only other thing is dealing with file size seeing as it's five separate images, had to make sure my quality value on saving to .JPEG was lower then I'm used to.

Aval Penworth
11-08-2010, 06:59 PM
Sounds like you need to do a bit of extra planning to get it right. My comment regarding the software's quirk was so others could work it our easily. What you have created is tre' cool.

geamon
11-08-2010, 07:04 PM
Misunderstanding then, sorry and thank you Aval!

geamon
11-10-2010, 04:02 AM
Added more content. The basement is complete and the first floor is getting there now. Also added titles/labels, unsure if I should number and add a legend for the individual rooms or rooms of interest. If I do add numbering should there be a new set of numbers independently for each room or all part of the series I.E 1-8 for each floor or 1-32 ( numbers are arbitrary) . I had to do some compression on the PDF to make the file meet the size cap for uploading, so let me know if there is any quality issues. Gonna try and hunker down and do at the very minimum one floor a day to ensure this thing gets done. Again any input welcome.

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Katto
11-10-2010, 01:36 PM
This looks good so far geamon. To optimize the pdf size and display of the layers you should reduce each map to monitor dpi ratio, normally 72 with a resolution of let's say 1280x1024. If you would like to print it you can create a different, larger file.

geamon
11-16-2010, 12:50 AM
I really really REALLY wanted to finish this in time but it seems life is kick me in the rump. I'm withdrawing my entry. Won't participate in another challenge until the new year. Moving into another country takes precedence. Good luck to the rest of you.

Aval Penworth
11-16-2010, 07:39 AM
I really really REALLY wanted to finish this in time but it seems life is kick me in the rump. I'm withdrawing my entry. Won't participate in another challenge until the new year. Moving into another country takes precedence. Good luck to the rest of you.

This is a perfectly fine entry already. Why not just put it in as is?

PS Godspeed on your move.