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Mark Oliva
08-07-2011, 11:50 PM
A year ago, on August 6, 2010, the Dundjinni (R) mapping product was taken off the market "temporarily." It never has returned, and the Dundjinni folks have posted on their website that it is uncertain when it will return (if, indeed, ever).

This is significant because the Dundjinni forums are the only true central point in the Internet for downloading free raster symbols (Dundjinni objects) and fill patterns (Dundjinni textures). There are thousands upon thousands of excellent quality symbols and fill patterns there. Most work just as well in other graphical and mapping programs as in Dundjinni.

Anyone here who has been intending to do a big download operation but who hasn't gotten around it yet might be well advised to get in gear. For a year now, someone has been paying the bills for the Dundjinni website without getting any new income to balance the costs. Twice in the last year, the Dundjinni site has been down for extended periods. In view of these circumstances, it's quite conceivable that the Dundjinni website might simply vanish overnight one day. One hopes not, but one can't count on it surviving.

Let's hope that a word to the wise will be sufficient. The address:

http://www.dundjinni.com/forums/default.asp

There you'll find an overwhelming amount of material ... not just standard fantasy RPG fare but also almost anything you need for modern and sci-fi mapping.

eViLe_eAgLe
08-08-2011, 12:01 AM
Agreed about the wonderful objects there.. I need to take another trip back there and snatch me some even more things.

Moe
08-08-2011, 12:27 AM
I once was there and browsed the objects - I used the thumbnail version somebody made there, but it got incredibly slow when I had more than a few hundred out of thousand objects in my cart. Is there any way to grab them all in one single download? It would be much easier to browse them on the harddrive. If so, I'd be glad if someone told me where to get that huge pack.

>Moe

Ascension
08-08-2011, 12:52 AM
The CSUAC was the main thing for getting them all but it has a spotty record of being available.

Moe
08-08-2011, 01:11 AM
Thanks a ton, Ascension this was the right hint.
Was able to find them here (Hale Gaming) (http://www.halegaming.com/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&id=29:csuac&Itemid=571) if anyone is interested.

>Moe

Clercon
08-08-2011, 02:00 AM
Thanks for the info and thanks for the link :)

Mark Oliva
08-08-2011, 02:36 AM
Thanks a ton, Ascension this was the right hint.
Was able to find them here (Hale Gaming) (http://www.halegaming.com/index.php?option=com_phocadownload&view=category&id=29:csuac&Itemid=571) if anyone is interested.

However, the CSUAC has only a very small part of the whole collection on the Dundjinni (R) forums, which continue to grow almost daily (as long as they're still there).

Moe
08-08-2011, 03:25 AM
However, the CSUAC has only a very small part of the whole collection on the Dundjinni (R) forums, which continue to grow almost daily (as long as they're still there).

Mh, so I guess there is no source including all the objects?
>Moe

eViLe_eAgLe
08-08-2011, 03:47 AM
I have something called the "SMAC" In my objects folder. I don't know where I got it but it rivals the CSUAC.

Mark Oliva
08-08-2011, 04:07 AM
Mh, so I guess there is no source including all the objects?

No. See below.


I have something called the "SMAC" In my objects folder. I don't know where I got it but it rivals the CSUAC.

The SMAC was withdrawn by the person who created it because he used the work without the copyright owners' consent. He simply collected other people's graphics from the Dundjinni site and republished them. He began getting cease-and-desist orders. That was what he explained online. Basically, the SMAC was illegal.

The CSUAC was legal. Cecil Solomon, who compiled it together with the Dundjinni forums, did have the copyright holders' permission to do so. However, several years have gone by since the CSUAC was updated, As I've mentioned, it contains only a small part of what the Dundjinni forums offer. The Hale download site hyperlinked above contains the old and small CSUAC.

Another site that legally offers a number of things that are duplicated in the Dundjinni forums is:

http://www.rpgmapshare.com/

... run by Jeff Alberts. But this site too has only a small part of the Dundinni collection.

Therefore, I again would urge anyone who wants what's still available to get it while it's still there, and the only place to do that is at the original source:

http://www.dundjinni.com/forums/default.asp

eViLe_eAgLe
08-08-2011, 04:19 AM
Thanks for telling me that.. Ill make sure to not use it anymore!

For those of you who haven't found it yet.. These host alot of the stuff on the Dundjinni forums.
http://www.dundjinni.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=11001&PN=1

eViLe_eAgLe
08-08-2011, 04:28 AM
Time to raid the forums?

Mark Oliva
08-08-2011, 08:20 AM
For those of you who haven't found it yet.. These host alot of the stuff on the Dundjinni forums.
http://www.dundjinni.com/forums/forum_posts.asp?TID=11001&PN=1

Thanks for adding that! I completely forgot to mention Sendorian's good archives.

Kepli
08-09-2011, 03:10 AM
It's good to see we are not the only ones worried about the DJ site. And good to see you found the archives others build and are still maintaining. This way the art won't disappear.

We (me and other webmasters) are working on this and will keep you all posted.

Kepli

Mark Oliva
08-09-2011, 05:34 AM
It's good to see we are not the only ones worried about the DJ site. And good to see you found the archives others build and are still maintaining. This way the art won't disappear. We (me and other webmasters) are working on this and will keep you all posted.Kepli

Great. There are a lot of folks who don't want only the art but also Dundjinni to stick around!

Redrobes
08-09-2011, 06:28 AM
Just askin - what is the fundamental reason that the web site might not be around any more ? Is it the cost of maintaining the site or is it just a hunch that its somewhat imminently in danger that it will expire ? Does anyone have access to the full web site files not just the art in it ? If it popped off then could a new home be found for it ? Who is the current rightful owner of the site. I think something more substantial than an all out pilfering of the art is required here. I would also say that if those art files were creative commons then the lack of CSUAC, SMAC and web site art issue could be easily prevented.

Mark Oliva
08-09-2011, 09:22 AM
Just askin - what is the fundamental reason that the web site might not be around any more ?

As far as this thread is concerned, my supposition based on the fact that whoever is paying for the site is giving us the service gratis. Dundjinni (R) no longer is on the market producing income for the site owner. That, plus sporadic site reliability in the past year tells me that the further existence of the site is questionable. As you will see below, the question of moving the material elsewhere if dundjinni.com goes off the air poses immense problems.


Is it the cost of maintaining the site or is it just a hunch that its somewhat imminently in danger that it will expire ? Does anyone have access to the full web site files not just the art in it ? If it popped off then could a new home be found for it ? Who is the current rightful owner of the site.

Kepli needs to answer that part of your query. He's on the inside.


I think something more substantial than an all out pilfering of the art is required here. I would also say that if those art files were creative commons then the lack of CSUAC, SMAC and web site art issue could be easily prevented.

Right. Except the files are not Creative Commons. They're everything under the sun including personal use only. That was Cecil Solomon's great achievement. When he put together the CSUAC, he actually contacted and got the necessary permission from all of the owners. To get that permission, he had to write a proprietary license that is relatively open and non-restrictive but that also prohibits reposting the CSUAC or its contents on other sites.

I wouldn't view the SMAC as being pilfered. The person who created it had noble intentions. He didn't realize that he couldn't do what he was doing. Once that became clear, he pulled the SMAC material immediately.

Getting permission to use the content - which now is more than 100 times the size of the old CSUAC - would be impossible. Many of the earlier owners no longer take part in the Dundjinni forums. Contacting them would be impossible. Some would refuse, Our group probably would too, and we have more than 1,000 items in the forums. We wouldn't refuse just to be stubborn or to be contrary. Some of our material, because of third party rights, can be released only under the OGL. Our attorney has warned us several times to use only the OGL and not to use mixed licensing. This issue really is complex.