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delgondahntelius
03-07-2008, 06:30 AM
[This thread has been copied & split from the March Monthly Challenge, so we can discuss the issue of our challenge voting process without threadjacking del's March entry! --Pyrandon]

alucard339
03-07-2008, 06:43 AM
I think the challenge of this month is to not be the only one who didn't participate, cause most if not all of us are (or have been) gamer at some stage of our lives.

Even If you just do like Timmy boy (13 years old :P) and scrap a map on paper in less than 24 hours work, it will still be great.

It should be fun to get more then 30 participants instead of 30 votes this month.

Just my 2 cents,
Alu.

Gamerprinter
03-07-2008, 10:27 AM
Its seems with every challenge there only about 20 to 30 votes in total, usually less. Since we have seem to have 13 or 14 participants this month, I wonder how many of these are actual voters (perhaps most of them).

My only fear is that we'll have 20 participants in the end and only a half dozen voters beyond the participants who are voters themselves.

There's got to be a way to compell more members to vote on the challenge - like the convincing them its their duty to vote, not just a right!

Arcana
03-07-2008, 11:01 AM
I agree GP...and I'm glad del read the rules, because even though I wrote them I posted my intention thread without an image...so someone slap my hand please.

As for voting...I dunno...I'll look into some stuff...soon as I get back from San Diego.

Redrobes
03-07-2008, 01:09 PM
I reckon that you should not be able to vote for yourself and then you would have to pick one of the others and then there would be a clearer majority. I was wondering the same as gamerprinter (but I guess recently we must have all thought this) that theres going to be a 37 way tie of 1 vote each if this keeps up ! This is going to be a hard month to vote on. I might make an overview page of all the entries - its hard keeping up with all of them now.

alucard339
03-07-2008, 02:13 PM
Could it be possible to put a kind of obligation page? During those 5 days of vote, when you login, it should bring you to the vote page and let you see the rest of the site after you take your vote.

Maybe that kind Of Dictator is what it takes.

May the Dictatorial vote week be enforced!

HA HA Ha ha ha h a h a a ...

Sry, got mix-up with RobA lack of sleep :P


Alu.

NeonKnight
03-07-2008, 06:30 PM
But how do we determine if someone has voted for their own? Can Community Leaders see that sort of stuff?

alucard339
03-07-2008, 06:43 PM
That is one of the 2 reasons I chose to tell for who I vote. The second reason being to say why I chose him (her).

delgondahntelius
03-07-2008, 10:16 PM
I'm not sure how this board's admin functions work, but if you can't put the voting page as the next page after a login, can't you set a large header above the forums... big enough that you can't miss it... that would link them to the voting thread... EZboard had something like this... but then, this isn't ezboard is it??

Also, do the Admins have access to emailing the boards members, or at the very least the boards active members in sort of a mass monthly email reminder that voting time has approached and that it would behoove them to stop by and vote before a demon-prince of the ninth circle of hades appear and turn them into something less than desirable.... or, another way is a nice friendly reminder that voting time is here and would they please stop by, because every vote counts and that we love and miss them terribly.

Another abstract thought is that everyone that votes gains something like a rep. point or equivalent reward. (SERVICE GUARANTEES CITENZSHIP!) I dunno, maybe even a title that signifies that number of times voted and a ranking system that gives more prestige among the community for the higher number of times voted....

I don't think you should get to vote for yourself either, and that is a valid answser to my previous question in another thread as to why one would say who they voted for (and why) ...

OK... that's probably enough feedback for one post, don't ya think?

Del

Addendum -- another thought on the emailing members, perhaps one of the admins could keep their own list of members emails that each member volunteers to give so that they can mail them when voting time arrives (and possibly some key important announcemnts)... something to that effect...

Gamerprinter
03-07-2008, 11:32 PM
1 rep for 1 vote - that's a very good idea!

Even if the forum doesn't use it - I gave you rep for thinking of it.

Even the least participating members of the boards can gain rep just for participating in the vote each month for 12 possible points a year, that is certainly worth something. :!:

delgondahntelius
03-08-2008, 01:49 AM
Thanx GP, every now and again I'll have an idea that's actually feasible. I like to look at it like flinging mud against a wall, sooner or later some of it will stick... :D

It's much appreciated.

The Cartographist
03-08-2008, 04:09 AM
I was also thinking about the problem of so many entrants.

Is there a way to do two rounds of voting? Perhaps one round to whittle down the number to the top five entrants, and THEN a second vote once those five are decided only amongst those top five?

Or is there a way to allow people to vote more than once? I.e., you get three votes to spread among the entrants as you like, but you can't vote for the same entrant more than once? (Maybe if the software doesn't specifically allow this, merely run three concurrent votes, and then add up the totals from all three?)

Just some thoughts...

alucard339
03-08-2008, 10:20 AM
I think the 2 vote round sound good. :!:


But then the problem is that we are supposed to have about 300 active members. If we drop around 100-150 persons that cannot vote during that week for some reason (out of town, sick, computer crashed, lazy, ...), then drop 50 more that don't like this month subject challenge, we should still get around 100-150 votes, not 25-30.
That is the major problem we got here.
The fact that we got lurkers is cool, because not everyone are good at drawing or want to post map. Many just prefer to look and take map from other for themselves, but that is not bad as long as they don't take credit for others work.
But at least, they should vote to encourage peoples to participate and give them more stuff to "borrow".

:x,
Alu.

alucard339
03-08-2008, 10:22 AM
Hey there some admin,

You should think to split this post in 2:

1- Delgo challenge,
2- Voting criticism.

Cause, soon Del is sure to give us some complain about using is post for our little debate.

Just my 2 cents,
Alu.

Midgardsormr
03-08-2008, 05:55 PM
Where are we getting this 300 active members number? The number of people who have posted since the start of the year is only 155, and if you filter that by people with 5 or more posts, it goes down to 101. And I'm not sure that 5 posts really qualifies as "active."

delgondahntelius
03-08-2008, 07:07 PM
at the bottom of the main forums page where it says "What's Going on?" ... it lists amount of posts, threads.. etc... it also has current active members

pyrandon
03-08-2008, 08:42 PM
Hey there some admin, You should think to split this post ...Cause, soon Del is sure to give us some complain about using is post for our little debate.

Good thinking, Alu. So it is written, so it shall be (i.e., was) done!

Arcana
03-09-2008, 02:03 PM
The problem with most of these great suggestions is that they pretty much all require programming to the core systems of the site. I'm not a php programmer, but I can do some minor modification...Anything more advanced than that such as a change to the way voting works as a whole would require a bit more.

I was planning on sending out another mass-mailing when voting began mainly because the number of entries requires more votes.

I'll look around the vBulletin site for voting mods and see if there are any worth installing, but I'm VERY picky about installing 3rd party mods because it makes the patch process a nightmare and sometimes they can affect security and other things.

I am planning on stepping up the newsletter process though...I think that would help encourage participation. I've got a bunch of plans right now that I' dlike to deal with but I'm suffering from a sinus infection and freakin pneumonia :( I'm goin to get some sleep.

Arcana
03-09-2008, 05:31 PM
Didn't see any mods that do any voting things....I'll see if I can modify the template to have a big VOTE NOW link on every page when the time comes.