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jfrazierjr
03-20-2012, 09:09 PM
There was some recent discussion on spiral stairs on a thread Bogie started, so I wanted to throw out a "real" try to see how you guys like this. I just made it with textures I already have, but since I used layer masks, I can easily switch them out if requested with any other texture someone can point to.

Soo.... Here is the first one. If it's good, I will work on an up and perhaps a up/down(which is considerably harder to deal with.

maxsdaddy
03-20-2012, 09:17 PM
Looks good! The shadowing where the stairs meet up with the central column seem a little dark and give the (first glance)
impression that they aren't attached (or slope towards it).

jfrazierjr
03-20-2012, 09:22 PM
Looks good! The shadowing where the stairs meet up with the central column seem a little dark and give the (first glance)
impression that they aren't attached (or slope towards it).

Yea.. I know what you mean... The problem though is since it's a pie shape when you do the blur it overlaps the parts(the "top" of a riser) which HAS to be sharp in order to get the "shadows'... If it's a bother, Perhaps I can add a bit more to the column itself and make it seem like it's sloped.... My main goal was making each "spoke" with a deep shadow to really sell the illusion of depth on the risers of the stairs.

maxsdaddy
03-20-2012, 09:27 PM
Just popped to the Bogie stair post and thought "how about a rectangular landing". Gives the stairwell a place to start? And doesn't anyone ever include a hand rail. :) Man these spiral stairs look like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Hehe.

Bogie
03-20-2012, 11:00 PM
Nice stairs JFrazierjr! The shadows look a little dark here, but as we noticed on my other posts, I'll bet they looked just right on your computer in Gimp.

Handrails are for woosies and they get in the way of swinging a sword!

Jaxilon
03-21-2012, 02:03 AM
Looks pretty good to me. The thing is all the talk of shadowing totally depends on the light source. If you put a slitted window or a torch/lamp in somewhere everything is different.

If the light was coming straight down from the top things wouldn't be darker near the center column but would have a more even distribution across each step with the ones near the bottom of the staircase a bit darker over all than those nearer the top.
If the light is near the top of the stairwell (as in on the landing) the center column would throw a straight line shadow and pretty much everything below that would be in darkness or nearly so. You might have some reflective light bouncing down a ways but nothing really great.
A window slit or lamp half way up would look the coolest but then you would have the brightest part of the stairs being at the halfway point and more shadows farther down and up the stairs.
No light, in an enclosed spiral staircase is probably just a great way to break someone's neck. :)

Your stairs get the point across very clearly however and I do not think any gamer would mistake what they were looking at.

Lukc
03-21-2012, 05:30 AM
How about just making a 3d stairwell, then using it as the basis for a photoshop version w. shadowing?

Simon33600
03-21-2012, 08:03 AM
It's really nice, good job!

RobA
03-21-2012, 05:08 PM
Here is a spiral staircase shadow overlay I made a few years ago when I was using Dundjinni:

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It works fairly well on most surfaces, and just needs some walls drawn over top.

-Rob A>

Jaxilon
03-21-2012, 09:21 PM
good shadows RobA. I'll have to remember this thread :)

maxsdaddy
03-21-2012, 09:58 PM
Nice RobA. Maybe the textures were compounding the shadows. I like Jaxilon's idea of a seperate light souce in the stairwell, but I imagine that would make the shadows even more complex. I still think a landing at the "top" gives a better point of reference even with the shadows doing most of that work. @Bogie.. handrails are for woosies LOL. Tell that to the eighty year old wizard whose apprentice has run off with the local Duke's daughter every time someone knocks on the front
ddor.

Bogie
03-22-2012, 03:01 AM
Nice overlay RobA, I've used that one several times before.

Here is a new set of stairs I made tonight:

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atpollard
03-22-2012, 01:02 PM
From a combat perspective, I think that the initial stairs turn the wrong way - the attacker climbing the stair can easily reach around the column with his right/weapon hand while the defender has his right/weapon hand blocked by the column. Bogie reversed the stair and it now favors a right handed defender with the high ground.

Graphically, they all look great.

maxsdaddy
03-23-2012, 09:13 PM
atpollard, check this out (http://www.thejanuarist.com/clan-kerr-and-the-legend-of-the-spiral-staircase/) @Bogie Nice. I noticed that you posted those at 2:01 am, when do you sleep?! :)

Bogie
03-25-2012, 01:09 AM
What is this "sleep" thing to which you refer? Actually my wife gave me a little grief about it to.

maxsdaddy
03-26-2012, 10:01 PM
"Sleep" is obviously a term you are unfamiliar with. Now please get back to work sharing awesome tidbits on this forum. :)