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Robbie
04-11-2008, 08:14 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen,

You may have seen in the past that on the front page of the site is a banner for Profantasy. Its been there for a while but we've never had any hits from it, yet I'm sure several of you already use Profantasy products.

Well, we're thinking about instituting an occasional mapping competition or contest that WILL actually involve a prize...And this of course will cost money. And money does not grow on trees.

I've already spoken with Simon from Profantasy in the past and he is willing to offer a coupon code for their site for any of our contest winners as a prize. Here's a good chance for you to help us out with that prize money.

It's very simple, all you have to do is click on OUR Profantasy link if you intend to buy any of their products. The credit it would give to us will of course help fund the future prize pool for the guild.

Here's a direct link right here...click here to purchase Profantasy mapping software (http://www.profantasy.com/?affiliate=11571811571)

NeonKnight
04-11-2008, 11:53 AM
I will be buying City Designer 3 when it finally appears, and I will use the link.

Gamerprinter
04-11-2008, 12:48 PM
Strange I've got an affiliate account for ProFantasy with a link on my site, as well, but nobody ever clicks it. Strange because I have an affiliate link to Xara Xtreme on the same page - and at least one person a month clicks on that... I get affiliate orders for Xara all the time.

Ah, NeonKnight, beat me up if you want to, but Profantasy gave me Dungeon Designer and City Designer... after having purchased CC3 and then visiting their booth at Gencon (I met Simon and Ralf there...)

Right after that happened I visited NBOS booth and got Fractal Mapper free too. 8)

Midgardsormr
04-11-2008, 01:02 PM
I suspect that's because most people who start looking for fantasy cartography resources run into Profantasy's website first, order the software, then start looking around for help and find the CG. I doubt very many of us discovered PF software as a result of coming here.

I tend to go directly to a vendor's website when I want to order something from them, but I'll try to remember to use the affiliate link to order CD3 when it becomes available.

Robbie
04-11-2008, 02:41 PM
I've actually had the affiliate link up since the inception of the website...it was there when I opened the doors here...and have not had a single click...figured I'd push it.

I also heartily recommend clicking the google ads too, but thats just shameless plugging on my behalf...Gamerprinter has a great banner that appears on the site there.

Edit: I just noticed the google ads aren't showing up :(

I'm gonna have to get on that when I get home from work....bleh.

meleeguy
10-03-2008, 08:52 PM
I used it to buy a few things!

The link was hard to find but search worked. :)

Jkaen
10-04-2008, 05:07 AM
I have to admit I have never seen the front page of the site before, I got linked to the forums, and have never noticed a link to the front page (the big banner on the top of the page just takes you tot he forum)

Robbie
10-04-2008, 10:23 AM
Hmm...I may have to make some changes for that then.

mogul76
10-04-2008, 01:36 PM
With all due respect, ProFantasy are not generating new revenues, if existing customers purchase optional modules by first clicking the banner on the front page of www.cartographersguild.com. These customers would buy those add-ons anyway, wouldn't they?

ProFantasy can address two possible target groups through advertising activities on this website: (1, the primary target group) people who are new to cartography and visit the website i.e. forums in order to obtain information and advice on mapping software, (2, the secondary target group) existing cartographers who currently use other software programmes to create their maps but who would switch to the Campaign Cartographer suite, if they saw and appreciated its advantages.

For the primary target group, only doing banner advertising may be sufficient. However, as previously mentioned in this thread, people are not likely to click the banner and purchase the software right away... I therefore believe that the number of "clicks" shouldn't be the only criterion when measuring the activity's success. One should also take visibility into consideration and I therefore hope that ProFantasy does not only pay you on a per-click basis...

Arcana, you may want to have a look at ways how to get www.cartographersguild.com appear more at the top of Google searches. When entering key words such as "RPG" and "mapping" or "roleplaying" and "maps" in Google, the cartographers guild does not come anywhere close to the top (contrary to rpgmapshare.com, for instance).

As for the secondary target, I believe that ProFantasy should be much more active on the forums by, for example, providing exclusive downloads to registered users or participating in the mapping challenges (I don't remember reading a rule which says that ProFantasy are not allowed to participate)...

I'm not a web advertising specialist but do work in a product marketing department and, hence, have experience in acquiring new customers.

Once again, ProFantasy are not earning an extra dime, Eurocent or penny, if their current customers purchase add-ons through the guild.

Mogul76

PS1 By the way, one really needs to scroll down to find the banner.

PS2 The idea of offering coupon codes to the challenges' winners is pretty cool :)

waldronate
10-04-2008, 04:50 PM
It might net more sponsors if the sponsor for a particular month's challenge gets a banner under or next to the Cartographer's Guild banner at the top of the forums list. Such a tactic might result in me being more likely to click that link as I almost never go to www.cartographersguild.com, but instead go straight to forum.cartographersguild.com when I want to participate. Having to scroll to the bottom to find the ProFantasy link doesn't help, either.

I am not saying that the forum page should become a mass of blinking advertisements as so many others are. But if someone is generating revenue for you, it might not hurt to put them somewhere that folks are likely to see.

mogul76
10-04-2008, 05:12 PM
It might net more sponsors if the sponsor for a particular month's challenge gets a banner under or next to the Cartographer's Guild banner at the top of the forums list. Such a tactic might result in me being more likely to click that link as I almost never go to www.cartographersguild.com, but instead go straight to forum.cartographersguild.com when I want to participate. Having to scroll to the bottom to find the ProFantasy link doesn't help, either.

I am not saying that the forum page should become a mass of blinking advertisements as so many others are. But if someone is generating revenue for you, it might not hurt to put them somewhere that folks are likely to see.

I think that these are very valid points, waldronate.

Jkaen
10-04-2008, 05:28 PM
On a slightly related note if I was them I would try to get some top quality tutorials on this site using their software, how many people use GIMP due in a large part to RobA's tutorial? (I know I do).

If they had some trurely impressive examples of work done with their software, then surely that would drive more users from this site to try the software out

NeonKnight
10-04-2008, 06:22 PM
I'm not a web advertising specialist but I did sleep at a Holiday Inn last night.



Sorry, couldn't resist! ;)

Some good points though!

mogul76
10-05-2008, 04:31 AM
Sorry, couldn't resist! ;)

:lol: In fact, I live in a bloody Holiday Inn Express (:idea:) and have drawn hundreds of astonishingly accurate maps of it.

delgondahntelius
10-05-2008, 05:38 AM
Rofl.... you guys crack me up... :lol:

Redrobes
10-05-2008, 07:18 AM
If they had some truely impressive examples of work done with their software, then surely that would drive more users from this site to try the software out
I think thats the key to it. Its all about quality vs effort to get to that quality and they are not showing either. I voted for Patrakis this month as I thought his map was pretty good knowing that it was probably a CC3 example as he is a notable flag bearer but he then said it was illustrator. Its hard to know how much effort it takes to get to final map but its very easy to see what the available quality can be. We know that photoshop can deliver but we also know that you need significant skill and effort to get you there. In a sense GP has been a very successful Xara flag bearer because of his quality and we know that several people here now use it as a direct result and have also attested to its ease of use claim too. Although its no help to the site maintenance unless they pay ad revenues, for Profantasy it would make sense to show what its capable of. Maybe I just dont like the style of map they produce but I haven't ever seen what I consider a really great map made with it and I would truly like to see it.

On a related note, would people like to see a ViewingDale tutorial ? I know its not well used around here but would a couple of copies of it as a challenge prize be interesting ?

delgondahntelius
10-05-2008, 07:33 AM
I believe it would be interesting. I'll quote this in the CL discussion, we'll see where it takes us...

I'd just like to say that VDale is a great program, I do have it... I don't use it for mapping per se, as you all know most of my maps are done by hand in pen and ink. But I have started using it to keep track of my Home brew world. I have quite a bit of information that needs to be categorized and situated and VDale is perfect for this... as it can keep track of every single person on the planet if I needed it too. And when I'm done, I can start properly mapping it out and keeping track of all those in Vdale...

RR is great about helping you out too... seriously, we spent quite a while figuring out all my graphics card issues which technically weren't his problem but mine. All was for not cause I got a better, newer card a few months later... but he back's it up with all the help you need. :)

Redrobes
10-05-2008, 07:49 AM
I have often wondered why you don't scan in some of your b&w pen ink icons and put them into the program then you could have twenty mountains and 50 houses etc and then make big maps using the icons you have. Surely it would be easier than hand drawing each one and you have the option of moving them about. It has the print res to cope with A2 sort of size and 300dpi etc. Putting down a forest of ink trees would be such a cinch with the random placing & rotating path tool for example which I would have thought must be a daunting prospect to consider doing by hand. We have had posts on these boards about rotating selections in the same layer in Gimp and how to quickly paste down lots of stuff quickly in layers etc. These are areas where its easier to do in a tool designed for that job. Perhaps if I gave away a few copies, people could see what I mean and why I still rave about it. Anyway - dont wish to thread jack here.

delgondahntelius
10-05-2008, 08:15 AM
Actually... I do :D .... I use Photoshop on a regular basis. I've got hundreds of brushes of my handdrawn forests and mountains, etc.... This was how the jungles were done on my Sept. challenge map.
I scan in most images now a days, but I still love to ink. So depending on what I need to get done... depends on how much I actually draw on paper before scanning it in. some of my more recent maps (book maps thread (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=3034)) are done completely in PS with all my hand drawn stuff. :D
I'm using PS because well... I paid for a whole suite and make more than just maps in it.

I too apologize for re thread jacking ... :D

mogul76
10-05-2008, 10:33 AM
If they had some trurely impressive examples of work done with their software, then surely that would drive more users from this site to try the software out

I fully agree with you, Jkaen. In fact, that's what I tried to say in my initial post within this thread. There's little point in doing banner advertising only...


On a related note, would people like to see a ViewingDale tutorial ? I know its not well used around here but would a couple of copies of it as a challenge prize be interesting ?

I'd love to see more ViewingDale stuff. Perhaps a map of a building (1st image)... which then zooms out to show a settlement or city (2nd image)... which then zooms out to show an entire region (3rd image)... 1 map, 3 images... That's one of the features which caught my eye when I read about your software.

Redrobes
10-05-2008, 10:44 AM
You might like to look at this thread. It was done after a challenge and I made the church in it. There are 6 movies showing different features responding to questions about VTT's in general and how mine tackles the issues raised and I think all are relevant but the first one or two will show what you are looking for w.r.t the zoom to house level. It goes on to show jumping maps into the church and editing the map from there.

http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=2182

Edit -- Also this thread with general FAQ on the app.

http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1642

but gimme half hour to upload the demo vids in post #16 & 17 or so which also has zooms to house & person level using maps from this site. I removed them to make space a while back.

jfrazierjr
10-05-2008, 10:45 AM
I fully agree with you, Jkaen. In fact, that's what I tried to say in my initial post within this thread. There's little point in doing banner advertising only...



I'd love to see more ViewingDale stuff. Perhaps a map of a building (1st image)... which then zooms out to show a settlement or city (2nd image)... which then zooms out to show an entire region (3rd image)... 1 map, 3 images... That's one of the features which caught my eye when I read about your software.


On a slightly related note, I have posted on the NBOS(Fractal Mapper) forum suggesting that some of the members also join and post up some samples. So far, I have not heard anything back in the affirmative.

mogul76
10-05-2008, 11:49 AM
Cheers for posting those links, Redrobes. The engine speed is very impressive. I liked how quickly you were able to zoom in and out of that huge map and move the mapping objects around without ViewingDale even freezing for a few seconds. Cool stuff.


On a slightly related note, I have posted on the NBOS(Fractal Mapper) forum suggesting that some of the members also join and post up some samples. So far, I have not heard anything back in the affirmative.

I think that I've read your message, as I'm also subscribed to NBOS' mailing list. There's a subscriber who, if I remember correctly, has previously used CC, then switched to Fractal Mapper and keeps telling how great it is. But I, for one, haven't seen a lot of FM maps. There are a couple of examples on the NBOS website. However, most of them consist of vector symbols and the images don't include any shadow effects and the like.

I don't believe that these forums should be (mis)used as a sales pitch by the developers of mapping software but a little more communication with the community and posting examples of created maps as well as tutorials would be beneficial both to registered members and developers.

ProFantasy
10-06-2008, 06:56 AM
We've sent out vouchers for the affliate program, and we'll be improving it over the next couple of months. I suggest if you want more participation here from the CC3 community, you post a monthly link to your competition over on the ProFantasy forum.

I keep an occasional eye on things over here, and have entered one competition, but our map making efforts really have to be devoted to commercial ends. I could post maps here produced in-house for various purposes, but I don't want to contaminate your boards with what could be construed marketing material. Maybe we could have a single "maps produced with CC3" thread for this purpose?