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Megahercio
06-05-2012, 04:17 PM
Hello

At the moment I'm making a level-lines map. The objective is more than to give a exact terrain altitude information in each point as could give a topographical chart in 1:50.000 by example, to get a map-background that gives the reader an general idea of the relief without take the eyes off the main map-personality, as the History in this case. This background, of course, would be employed in the preparation of many maps changing only the relief changes throughtout history. The size is more or less for A4.

The basis of the new map is "Gran Átlas Aguilar":
http://home.tiscali.nl/~wvanrosm/agwww_english.htm
The way for drawing lines is the tablet using the pen-tool with Free-hand (not the pencil, the pen). Making the points one by one and draging to get the curve.
Colours are chosen by me.
I hope to finish it as soon as possible:).

Images:

Lines-making

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The map now

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lostatsea
06-05-2012, 04:46 PM
Looks interesting. But this isn't the proper forum for this post. This is the monthly contest forum. Should be in the regional mapping forum !

eViLe_eAgLe
06-05-2012, 05:39 PM
Besides that, a river is a bit wonky in the lower right middle. I think.

Jaxilon
06-05-2012, 06:10 PM
Looking good. Look forward to seeing more.

I moved your thread to the regional WIP area. The redirect will expire in a day so come back here after that.

Lyandra
06-05-2012, 08:13 PM
It looks really nice so far. I look forward to the finished piece :)

Gidde
06-05-2012, 08:14 PM
This is looking very cool! And wow, the work involved in doing this whole thing with a bezier pen. Hats off, and have some rep :)

arsheesh
06-05-2012, 11:17 PM
Well I think it's impressive that you are doing that all by hand. I look forward to watching this one take shape.

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

vorropohaiah
06-06-2012, 03:08 AM
wow -seems pretty painstaking work to do this by hand - but nice results so far.

Depassage
06-06-2012, 09:53 AM
I also look forward to seeing the piece finished. Good work!

Megahercio
06-06-2012, 10:31 AM
Thanks to all the people for your comments that have encourage me to go on. I see that most of you is thinking I'm going too far :), but is the only way to make a modern-look relief, I think. I took the idea from the Barrington Atlas. Saving the diferences.


Looks interesting. But this isn't the proper forum for this post. This is the monthly contest forum. Should be in the regional mapping forum !

Thanks lostatsea, really that it is going to be my home-forum most of the times cause the kind of maps I make.

Megahercio
06-06-2012, 10:35 AM
Besides that, a river is a bit wonky in the lower right middle. I think.

Yes, you are right eViLe_eAgLe, I have corrected the area.:)

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Megahercio
06-06-2012, 10:44 AM
This is looking very cool! And wow, the work involved in doing this whole thing with a bezier pen. Hats off, and have some rep :)

Thanks very much Gidde. I never use the bezier pen. The reason is that for me is easier to work with the pen... surely that the problem is that I have not met the way to handle the bezier properly... but now is an habit.

Megahercio
06-06-2012, 10:47 AM
Looking good. Look forward to seeing more.

I moved your thread to the regional WIP area. The redirect will expire in a day so come back here after that.

Thanks Jaxilon

Megahercio
06-10-2012, 08:27 PM
Hello

To make the level-lines is so boring that in the meanwhile I have been proving new colours, softer (cause the names of cities, countries, etc... have to be perfectly readables) and at the same time with a good contrast between them. My system is to prove untill I think I have get it. I say "I think".

The new colours:

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As you can see the relief is going on slowly.

If I want to give the map an old patina, I take an old paper-background with any texture could make it even older. Then I put the map over the paper layer and make a change of transparency or a similar action.

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I suppose people here knows how to make it.
It is just a test of colours.
As a old map-looking needs old symbols too, I have been searching in old books to see what I "fish"

By example from this link, I have get a "North":

http://echo.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de/ECHOdocuViewfull?url=/mpiwg/online/permanent/library/8AMCFFVQ/pageimg&wh=0.3641&ww=0.3641&start=151&viewMode=images&ws=3&mode=imagepath&pn=155&wy=0.1355&wx=0.1354

From Vitruvius, then I copy it in vectorial an keep it to put in the map in his moment.

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And go on with the level-lines.

Hai-Etlik
06-13-2012, 09:56 PM
The term you want is "contour line" or if you want to get really fancy "isohypse". A map showing precise elevation is generally called "hypsographic". Detailed, large scale ones are often called "topographic", though the scale on yours is rather small for that.

Megahercio
06-15-2012, 02:25 PM
Hello Hai-Etlik
Thanks for give me your opinion.
Then, in this kind of small scale maps... what way to represent the relief do you should employ? This map is the result of a personal development in the representation of relief in historical maps. Then it is not close at all and any idea of example will be wellcome.
In internet the most I have met is this kind of relief or in the google maps:
http://www.maps-for-free.com/index.html

Hai-Etlik
06-15-2012, 03:07 PM
Hello Hai-Etlik
Thanks for give me your opinion.
Then, in this kind of small scale maps... what way to represent the relief do you should employ? This map is the result of a personal development in the representation of relief in historical maps. Then it is not close at all and any idea of example will be wellcome.
In internet the most I have met is this kind of relief or in the google maps:
http://www.maps-for-free.com/index.html

I wasn't saying you should do anything different, I was just explaining what to call what you were doing rather than "level lines".

Megahercio
06-15-2012, 06:19 PM
I wasn't saying you should do anything different, I was just explaining what to call what you were doing rather than "level lines".
Yes, but as a separate chapter,I was asking you, that have experience in the matter, if you think there is a more advanced way to make that, not now and in this map but in general. Would be of great help for me to give one more step in my next maps.:)

Hai-Etlik
06-15-2012, 06:43 PM
Yes, but as a separate chapter,I was asking you, that have experience in the matter, if you think there is a more advanced way to make that, not now and in this map but in general. Would be of great help for me to give one more step in my next maps.:)

There are pretty much three ways used to show elevation on modern maps. Contours, like you used, whether simple lines or coloured regions. It's very effective and is widely used. Continuous colour gradients can also be used; they can show more detail sometimes as you are flattening things into sharp bands, but sometimes they can also loose it as the colours are so close they blur together. The can also make it hard to figure out exactly what elevation a point is. Finally there is shaded relief which represents the light and shadow hitting the slopes, often from an impossible angle (The sun never shines from due north-west if you are in the northern hemisphere, but that's the most popular angle. Shaded relief is quite good at showing small details, but useless for understanding absolute elevations.

You can combine them if you want. There are even maps that use all three at once. There are certain ways of combining smooth elevation colours with shaded relief called "Swiss Shading", and this is often topped off with contour lines.

In your case, you might try locating a shaded relief layer for France. You could also get a DEM or Heightfield and build your own shaded relief layer from it using the right software.

Megahercio
06-15-2012, 07:28 PM
There are pretty much three ways used to show elevation on modern maps. Contours, like you used, whether simple lines or coloured regions. It's very effective and is widely used. Continuous colour gradients can also be used; they can show more detail sometimes as you are flattening things into sharp bands, but sometimes they can also loose it as the colours are so close they blur together. The can also make it hard to figure out exactly what elevation a point is. Finally there is shaded relief which represents the light and shadow hitting the slopes, often from an impossible angle (The sun never shines from due north-west if you are in the northern hemisphere, but that's the most popular angle. Shaded relief is quite good at showing small details, but useless for understanding absolute elevations.

You can combine them if you want. There are even maps that use all three at once. There are certain ways of combining smooth elevation colours with shaded relief called "Swiss Shading", and this is often topped off with contour lines.

In your case, you might try locating a shaded relief layer for France. You could also get a DEM or Heightfield and build your own shaded relief layer from it using the right software.

Maybe my next step would be, reading your pieces of advice, to get a Heightfield program, mainly for battle maps and use the "Swiss Shading" for maps like this of France, although the technical aspect must not be any easy and the work infinite. The thing is to practice enough... Thanks very much, a great answer.

Megahercio
07-03-2013, 10:26 PM
This is at last the final version of the contour line map.

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Obbehobbe
07-04-2013, 05:17 AM
It looks nice! Is it painted by hand?

Megahercio
07-04-2013, 07:06 AM
It looks nice! Is it painted by hand?

It is made, first, with a vectorial program, then with photoshop and the last texture is done with the program corel painter photo essentials (old oil) effect.

- Max -
07-04-2013, 08:44 AM
That's pretty nice!

Schwarzkreuz
07-04-2013, 09:59 AM
Great work, I realy like the overall feel

Megahercio
07-04-2013, 06:25 PM
Thanks very much:)

thamupp
07-13-2013, 11:43 AM
Looks amazing!

Maraxus_
07-13-2013, 04:09 PM
Looks very nice, though it botheres me, that northern Germany is missing it's rivers. I mean, the Rhein is ending in the middle of nowhere.

arsheesh
07-13-2013, 11:55 PM
Quite lovely indeed!

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

thepinksalmon
07-16-2013, 08:13 PM
That looks like it was a ton of work. Definitely paid off though.

Ilanthar
07-17-2013, 09:31 AM
Excellent map!

You chose a nice color palette. Just waiting for some labels now.