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Megahercio
06-06-2012, 10:50 AM
Hello

This is the other map I have just made and that I wanted to show in the forum by now. (I hope in the correct forum :))

Represent the minor battle that took place near the town of Calamocha between pro-Austria Dinasty and pro-Borbon Dinasty forces in the Spanish Sucession War. More than the battle, that is the excuse to make the map, I have wanted to test here some ways to represent the lanscape and relief.
Would be important for me to know your opinion and critics if you want to make some.

The original is in spanish and I have traslate to english some names and the legend.

Thanks

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I enclose one photo of the landscape around the battle:

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Depassage
06-06-2012, 01:39 PM
Very nice map with a nice feeling! I like it.

Have a rep!

Larb
06-06-2012, 04:59 PM
That's a really nice map. I tried to look up the Battle of Calamocha because I was curious but I couldn't find anything. I assume it has a different name in english.

Megahercio
06-06-2012, 06:59 PM
Hello Depassge and Larb, first thanks for give your opinion of the map.:)
Sorry Larb, but I'm afraid a too small battle to be in english. Even the sources in spanish are minimal, four pages .You have the PDF in this link:


http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s251/Borisinmiedo/9badb27c.jpg (https://www.yousendit.com/download/QlVqRkJlcTJrYURIRHRVag)

If you are very interested, I could traslate an make a Summary.

Anyway it could be englobe in a bigger one: The battle of Zaragoza. About this you have some information in english:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Saragossa

And there is too an interesting game board that you can download in this page (in spanish):
http://zaragoza1710-2010.weebly.com/juego.html

I think Zaragoza or Saragossa is twinned with the city of Toulouse :) nowadays.

Regards

arsheesh
06-06-2012, 08:07 PM
That is quite nice. You've got a unique style Megahercio.

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

Larb
06-06-2012, 09:22 PM
It looks like (1706) Calamocha is too minor to get a proper translation (though it seems where was a battle there in the 1100s). I cannot read spanish though (I only know a bit of french and latin) and I suspect online translators would do a terrible job. I wonder if the minor battles of things like the wars of the roses and such are also brushed over too by non-english historians. You can only translate so much, right?

A translated summary would be great though, I am a big history fan and mainly would just like to know the context of your fabulous map.

Megahercio
06-06-2012, 11:39 PM
That is quite nice. You've got a unique style Megahercio.

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

Hello Arsheesh

The style is inspired in this 1:25.000 military map:
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This version is not the current you can find nowadays in book-shops, is an older version that I find more artistic.

Megahercio
06-07-2012, 01:42 AM
It looks like (1706) Calamocha is too minor to get a proper translation (though it seems where was a battle there in the 1100s). I cannot read spanish though (I only know a bit of french and latin) and I suspect online translators would do a terrible job. I wonder if the minor battles of things like the wars of the roses and such are also brushed over too by non-english historians. You can only translate so much, right?

A translated summary would be great though, I am a big history fan and mainly would just like to know the context of your fabulous map.

Then, I understand you consider better a full traslation more than a summary. Well, I wait to be able to make it properly, give me time.

The battle you do mention in 1100 must be the Battle of Cutanda: Cutanda is a little village near Calamocha that has a castle.
I think is very interesting the matter about languages you have mention. In a begining I learned french and latin too, but it changed to english halfway through. I was doubing to put the links and sources in spanish knowing it would be impossible for me to traslate all, but at last I thought would be worst to not put them.

I mean minor battle, the one that is not decisive in a campaing. This battle was the result of a "distraction" movement from Zaragoza to take off presure of enemy siege army over this city.

Lyandra
06-07-2012, 03:30 PM
I really like this map. Your style indeed is unique. I would say that your creation is much more pleasing to the eye then the map you got your inspiration from ;) I like the way you depicted elevations.Tthough at first glance everything looked inverted to me... I hate those optical illusions!

Megahercio
06-08-2012, 07:53 AM
I really like this map. Your style indeed is unique. I would say that your creation is much more pleasing to the eye then the map you got your inspiration from ;) I like the way you depicted elevations.Tthough at first glance everything looked inverted to me... I hate those optical illusions!

Hello Lyandra

Really that is not an optical illusion cause the nivel lines are inverted in this map if you accept the classical parameters.
In this relief the nivel lines are right:

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But I wanted to make it that way to see what happen.:)

Depassage
06-08-2012, 09:46 AM
Thanks for the links. No need to translate for me, I can read spanish (I'm from a spanish family installed in France in the 60's).

Not so much info on that battle, but however, this shows for me that historical (archives) sources can be a valuable inspiration source for mapmaking. I don't know if that has already be done before, but I think it could be an interesting map challenge...

Lyandra
06-08-2012, 11:47 AM
I'm glad then, since it was very hard for me to see it the "right" way at first. And I really hated seeing a hill at the bottom of a valley.:x By the way, I think that if you hadn't marked the hills on your map I might not have noticed at all that I was seeing the terrain heights inverted. ;) Other thing is, that now I cannot force my eyes to see them the "wrong" way (the way I first saw them).^^ My brain is weird.:P

Megahercio
06-08-2012, 12:22 PM
Thanks for the links. No need to translate for me, I can read spanish (I'm from a spanish family installed in France in the 60's).

Not so much info on that battle, but however, this shows for me that historical (archives) sources can be a valuable inspiration source for mapmaking. I don't know if that has already be done before, but I think it could be an interesting map challenge...

Historically there have been a notable exchange of population between the north of Huesca province and the Pyrinees franšaises. For marriages between families mainly. A part of my family is french too. I have pass the frontier to visit France in severals ocassions and there is many people who understand spanish. Unfortunnately don't happen the same in the other side with the french. (anyway, you have to know it better than me).

To use the original sources nowadays in historical maps is the rule, as less if you want any credibility. The same that if you write a book, the sources are essentials. Your idea seems very good, but I haven't understand yet what is a "challenge map" in the forum.:)

Megahercio
06-08-2012, 12:27 PM
It is strange but for me is on the other hand. :) In this map, I don't find nothing extrange, but in the one I sent before, for me the terrain is inverted Then, is not your brain the weird one, I'm afraid.:P