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Lyandra
06-08-2012, 01:54 PM
Since the last map (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?18943-Delurking-Finally!-D&p=187625#post187625) I sort of drew another one in the similar "style" for practice. I think I liked previous one better, but thought I would share anyway. I'm frustrated with the desert especially, it did not turn out the way I wanted it to. The mountain range lost a bit on quality too... I'm satisfied with the forests though, in my opinion they look better now, especially the shading. Sorry for the "wobbly" cities, I tend to move around the paper a lot when I draw... For the city icons I've taken inspiration from an actual historical map, don't remember who was the cartographer though, sorry. I will try to check it the next time I will be in the library. I'm attaching two versions of the map, one is original and the other I put over one of Coyotemax's wonderful textures - just a small experiment.

All comments and criticism are welcome. I don't know if I will do anything else with this map, but who knows. Also, you have to remember that any corrections to the actual drawing will be difficult to make since it's not digital. ;)

One thing I have to try next time is to leave some free space around the drawing or add it around it after scanning, so it doesn't look so stuffed.

Anyway, here it goes. :)

Larb
06-08-2012, 02:18 PM
I like it and this is a very nice style you're developing/practicing I think. The desert and icons give it a very near-east, slightly exotic feel. I assume the slightly grid-like land is cultivated farmland and such? It comes across as that anyway though perhaps a tiny bit too regular.

I can't wait to see more.

Lyandra
06-08-2012, 02:26 PM
Thanks Larb.

Yeah, that is cultivated farmland, didn't know how to represent it better. I will try to make it less regular next time. I actually tried to make the cities situated on the desert look more near-east-like than the others, but I guess they all have something "easternish" about them, probably because of the domes. Again, thanks for the input. :)

Freodin
06-08-2012, 02:58 PM
The desert is wonderful... it is stylish and easily identifiable. The cities are also grandious. The woods look good this way, but they could stand out some more. Perhaps a little darker, a little more contrast?

And I have to agree with Larb, the farmland is a little to regular. The style is great, though.


I don't know if I will do anything else with this map, but who knows.
What else you should do with this map (as well as the other one)? Frame it and put it on the wall! This is GREAT!

I wish I could draw this way.

Larb
06-08-2012, 03:12 PM
Yes, it was the domes and tall towers as they remind me of minarets and byzantine churches and mosques. And eastern palaces. Although I have been running around 15th century Constantinople in this one game I've been playing very recently which might be why it sticks in my mind more. =P

By regular I mean that it just seems a bit griddy like if you lived in Iowa or something. =P It works and you can definitely tell what they are though. And I suppose some rice paddies are organised that way too so it's not wrong or anything. I was just thinking that if they were slightly less regular squares and rectangles. I am certain I saw a map here recently with an example of what I mean so I shall do some browsing.

vorropohaiah
06-08-2012, 03:13 PM
I like it and this is a very nice style you're developing/practicing I think. The desert and icons give it a very near-east, slightly exotic feel. I assume the slightly grid-like land is cultivated farmland and such? It comes across as that anyway though perhaps a tiny bit too regular

my only 'crit' in an otherwise very characterful piece is the fields, but i know what you mean about them being hard to depict in another way, particularly at this scale - maybe tone down the undulating lines and making them less regular?

I love the work on the mountains, which are what im having problems with personally (lol sounds like a domestic problem)

Lyandra
06-08-2012, 03:19 PM
Freodin: Thanks for the encouraging comment and the rep. :)
The forests actually look better on paper, they lost some details when I scanned the drawing. I tried to make them lighter because I thought that they turned out too dark on the previous map. Yeah, the fields I have to definitely work on. ;)


What else you should do with this map (as well as the other one)? Frame it and put it on the wall! This is GREAT!

Well, I was thinking about adding some color... You are right though, if I do it, I will probably start a completely new map, so I won't do much with this one. You are very kind, I think that I'm going to need more practice though, before I will be putting anything on the wall. :P


I wish I could draw this way.

The map of Elmsriggen that you made is gorgeous! It really shows that you can draw. You've stated somewhere that you are not an artist, but I would argue that actually you are. :) I'm sure that you could draw something similar to my scribbles. ;) In your own style of course.^^

Lyandra
06-08-2012, 03:29 PM
Larb: I think I drew them like that mainly because I was lazy and it sort of seemed to work (at the time). I certainly don't live in Iowa, just chose the simplest representation I could think of. :P (Lazy!)

vorropohaiah: Thanks. :) I actually like your mountains, they seem to work well with the style of your maps. They might be a bit too regular maybe?
You are right about the scale, this map was drawn on a A5 format, and since I'm using a rather thick pen it's sometimes hard to draw the little details. Oh, and I sort of like the undulating lines. I think it makes the land look less uniform. :)

Lyandra
06-08-2012, 03:33 PM
Ok. I looked again at the image and the forests on the left side of the mountains truly do look sort of "bleached". My scanner is to blame unfortunately. I will try to work on that too, mayby highten the contrast or something...

Megahercio
06-09-2012, 02:26 AM
Since the last map (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?18943-Delurking-Finally!-D&p=187625#post187625) I sort of drew another one in the similar "style" for practice. I think I liked previous one better, but thought I would share anyway. I'm frustrated with the desert especially, it did not turn out the way I wanted it to. The mountain range lost a bit on quality too... I'm satisfied with the forests though, in my opinion they look better now, especially the shading. Sorry for the "wobbly" cities, I tend to move around the paper a lot when I draw... For the city icons I've taken inspiration from an actual historical map, don't remember who was the cartographer though, sorry. I will try to check it the next time I will be in the library. I'm attaching two versions of the map, one is original and the other I put over one of Coyotemax's wonderful textures - just a small experiment.

All comments and criticism are welcome. I don't know if I will do anything else with this map, but who knows. Also, you have to remember that any corrections to the actual drawing will be difficult to make since it's not digital. ;)

One thing I have to try next time is to leave some free space around the drawing or add it around it after scanning, so it doesn't look so stuffed.

Anyway, here it goes. :)

Hello Lyandra

I like your practice map, mainly because you have resolve, with master hand I have to say, the draw problems it kind of maps set out. To know if the perpective of map is well made (this is important in this draft, I think, and the key of the map at last more than the details), we should have the whole map in full view.
About the details, maybe the forest is your unresolved matter for me. Maybe if it would follow the mountain slope more... it like is a conifer forest, maybe a beech forest... or a mixture...

Lyandra
06-09-2012, 03:07 AM
Thanks Megahercio.
I guess the way I drew the forests you can't really say if they are conifer or mixed. I would imagine that higher in the mountains it would be conifer and in the lowlands mixed. I have to admit though that I haven't given much thought to that. I tried to draw the forests along the slopes, the higher parts I left bare on purpose, thinking that there mountains would consist mainly of bare rock.

Megahercio
06-09-2012, 05:24 AM
Thanks Megahercio.
I guess the way I drew the forests you can't really say if they are conifer or mixed. I would imagine that higher in the mountains it would be conifer and in the lowlands mixed. I have to admit though that I haven't given much thought to that. I tried to draw the forests along the slopes, the higher parts I left bare on purpose, thinking that there mountains would consist mainly of bare rock.

With conifer or not I mean the symbol you use to draw the forest. If it is a circle or oval is not a conifer and if it is a cone, by example, could be a conifer forest. I think in not too high monutains the forest mark the slopes more even than the rocks. Anyway is only one aspect more, not important, other way to make the relief. I put two examples of what I want to mean. Not as perfect as yours in anyway but maybe will give you an idea of what I mean (the idea is that we can develop more the forest forms in a draw, as other aspect of the landscape to make it more realistic if you want, of course). Other aspect would be the sunny and shady parts of the mountains, where the trees reach diferents altitudes.

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This is more a sketch

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Lyandra
06-09-2012, 05:40 AM
Megahercio: I cannot open the attachments, sorry. :(
As to differentiating the forests I used to do that but I kind of like this simplistic way of drawing them that I now use. They could represent conifer forests I suppose, so I would have to develop a new way of representing mixed forests if I wanted to make the difference between them. For now my map just says: "here be forests", without telling you what kind of forests.^^ I think that the mountains on my map might be quite high, I don't know, they are not too realistic all things considered. The thing about sunny and shady parts is a good point though. I will have to plan my next map more carefully, this time I just sort of drew it without worrying about realism too much;)

Megahercio
06-09-2012, 08:10 AM
Alright Lyandra, it was just other point of view about this theme of forest, surely with hypertrophy by my side. I see you have superseded it in your style.:)

Lyandra
06-09-2012, 08:30 AM
Megahercio, I was glad to hear what you had to say. The maps I posted are mostly just experiments. I'm trying out different styles at the moment, but for now they are not too realistic. Your comments were valuable and I thank you for them. :) That's one of the reasons why I wanted to become part of this community, to get honest critique by people who love maps as much as I do, who will notice things I might have otherwise overlooked. To learn from them.

Megahercio
06-09-2012, 09:15 AM
Yes I understood this, don't worry :). But I didn't find the way to explain myself.
I think the idea is that a map can be fantastic and realistic at the same time. I have find a better example in this links of geological maps:

http://www.elsoto.org/formaciones_geologicas.htm

You have talent for this kind of maps as less, and you are able to make what you want. Then to include this details I think would make your maps richer (even more I meant).
But as I said maybe you knew all that and have leave this stage superseded. (I don't speak english, really I traslate from spanish with english words and it make my speech a little confuse), was just a posibility.

This time I think I said it clear.

Lyandra
06-09-2012, 09:29 AM
Thanks for the link. I always liked those "painted" realistic maps, so you might say that to achieve this level of detail and realism is one of my goals. Thanks for thinking that I'm up to it. :) I agree that it would enrich my maps and make it easier for the viewer to envision himself being there (I personally like to do that^^). So, those maps I posted are just a beginning. I hope to experiment with many styles though, not only this semi-realistic "bird eye view" style. ;)

Megahercio
06-10-2012, 02:21 PM
Marvelous Lyandra, I will be alert in anycase.:)

arsheesh
06-10-2012, 10:24 PM
I think it's looking quite nice indeed. I like the brush strokes you use for the forests.

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

Lyandra
06-12-2012, 01:27 AM
Thanks arsheesh :)

wynn
06-15-2012, 10:48 PM
Looks awesome, I really dig the style, especially those mountains and the desert. My only crit would be to make the farms more of a puzzle piece type thing instead of patchwork. So make the shapes different size, fit around each other etc.

Lyandra
06-16-2012, 01:03 PM
Thanks wynn :)

Yeah, fields I definitely plan to work on. As I said before, the way they look now is, on the most part, due to my laziness.^^

Klaus van der Kroft
06-17-2012, 10:56 PM
Good Heavens, that's nice. Love the mountains!

I've always enjoyed maps that are drawn as a wholesome piece; gives an insight into what the author really wants to convey and feel much more personal.

I look forward to seeing more of it. Well done!

Lyandra
06-19-2012, 06:38 AM
Thanks Klaus! :)

I'm too looking forward to more mapping but unfortunately at the moment I have no time to do that. :( I'm hoping that when my holidays begin I will immerse myself in it. Just a little over one week... Can't think about that, I'm becoming depressed... Wish I could just sit and map, and map, and map... - Enough with my little fantasy, time to come back to the real world... :/

lostatsea
06-25-2012, 08:09 PM
I like the style you are developing. Hope to see more as "REALITY" permits ! Snagged for my inspiration folder. Have some Rep too.;)

Lyandra
06-26-2012, 08:11 AM
Thanks! I feel honored you considered my maps worthy of your inspiration folder.^^
My exams are almost over, so hopefully I will be able to post something this or next week. Can't wait to start mapping again! :P