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Bogie
09-19-2012, 03:09 AM
Another late entry for me. I am going to attempt a side view of a cavern system.

Starting with a real picture of a hillside cliff from cgTextures
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Then I darkened all but the top of the ridge.
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Next I will use this cloud picture to create the outline of the cavern,
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So lets see how far I can get in the next week.

lostatsea
09-19-2012, 09:23 PM
Ata boy Bogie. That's a huge step out of the battle map box. Good luck ! Can't wait to see where you go with this !!

Bogie
09-19-2012, 10:11 PM
Thanks Lostatsea, it is not totally original, Octopod used a similar technique to win an earlier challenge. While the rest of us were making top down islands he made this side view cave that was very unique. Everything I normally do is top down so this is a challenge for me just to do this.

So I made a mask from the clouds and put it over the picture. Now I need to clean it up and replace the red with a good interior background.


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Bogie
09-20-2012, 01:45 AM
A lot more work to clean it up than I expected, but I think I may be most of the way there. Critiques welcome. Be nice, this is new territory for me. I even used a Bamboo Tablet for the first time.

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Chashio
09-20-2012, 07:59 AM
giant.ant.farm. :idea:

That's a very brilliant use of a hillside photo, but I wish the interior textures were more grainy/noisy/smaller/something so that they'd match the exterior image better. Why not just unmask the original cliff rocks and paint some shadows over them on a multiply layer? Out of curiosity, how are you going about cleaning it up? And how do you like the Bamboo so far? Sorry, I ask a lot of questions when I'm exhausted. =}

Bogie
09-20-2012, 07:23 PM
Thanks Chashio. This was all done on one layer. Part of the problem is I have learned how to use PS on my own by trial and error and I don't seem to grasp the use of layers. I understand the concept, but I seem to have a mental block on how to implement layers. The basic cavern shapes used the clouds to mask and erase, but then I had to go over all the edges by hand with the pen tablet to get rid of edge artifacts and add in the stalactites and stalagmites and water.

Chashio
09-20-2012, 09:04 PM
Well, I can see how that would make it difficult. Layers and masks are very worth learning how to use, and it's pretty easy once you get the general concept of implementation. Up until a couple of weeks ago, I kept masks at a 10ft distance, myself. =) Ask me sometime, if you want to, and I'll illustrate the general concept of implementation. However, if you'd rather just work on a single layer (which I do 40% of the time) then I suggest the history brush tool as incredibly awesome.

Bogie
09-21-2012, 02:09 AM
Thanks I'll keep trying, I'll get it eventually. And the pen tablet worked pretty good considering I don't really know how to use it, or have any freehand skill.

Larb
09-21-2012, 02:47 PM
In your mind, just think of layers as several sheets of transparencies/cellophane OHP paper stacked on top of each other. If you draw particular things on separate sheets, it makes it easier to edit because and you can change things on that sheet without affecting the others, or even just remove that sheet and put a new blank one in if you don't like it.

I was considering a cave (with mine) type map similar to this, so I look forward to seeing the end result!

Bogie
09-21-2012, 07:18 PM
Thanks, that's the part I understand. It is how you actually do it and work with it that I get hung up on. I think I need someone sitting at my computer to actually run through doing that using small words and baby steps.

Hope you can get the map done and entered so we can see the different styles.

Larb
09-21-2012, 08:08 PM
I opted for something completely different in the end (the tower).

Just as a quick layers example in the case of this map, if I was doing it on layers, I would have the photo image of the cliff on the bottom layer. I wouldn't edit this "base image" at all, I would just leave it as is.

Then on the next layer I would have the solid black background bit you have there covering up much of that photo image.. This is so I can add or remove more of the photo image just by adding more black or deleting it as needed. Because this black is on it's own layer and doesn't affect anything else, it's a super quick adjustment.

Then on a third layer, I'd begin adding the caves themselves. So you'd add that clouds bit and begin colouring it.

Bogie
09-22-2012, 03:51 AM
Thanks Larb, good advice.

I progressed a little further on the details. I added some texture to the interior cave walls and put a border around it.

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Korash
09-22-2012, 03:26 PM
with all of the stalagmite/tites that you have in silhouette, I would assume that there would be SOME visible on the far wall. I wouldn't put too many of them though, just enough to show that there ARE some.

looking good otherwise

Chashio
09-22-2012, 04:39 PM
Oh yeh, the texture works a lot better with the image now. The border might be able to come down a bit in vibrancy or color warmth, but that's completely your call... don't listen to me. ;) It's looking good!

Lukc
09-22-2012, 05:21 PM
Looks good to me, too. Personally, if I was doing it, I would try to make the "cut-away" look like rocks ... but that's just because I was heavily influenced by cut-away geography & geology illustrations in our big ole Atlas when I was a kid.

Bogie
09-26-2012, 03:53 PM
Added a Nameplate with a scale. I think I'm done.

Bogie
09-26-2012, 04:00 PM
Here is my final version:

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Chashio
09-26-2012, 07:07 PM
The image attachment isn't working for me. Can you re-upload it?

torstan
09-26-2012, 11:20 PM
I'm going to leave the challenge open a little longer to allow you to get this uploaded. Make sure it has attached and then I'll close the challenge.

Bogie
09-26-2012, 11:47 PM
That's odd, I saw my map when I first posted it now it's not even in the Manage my attachments thing. The final copy with the legend I made this afternoon is on my office computer, so there is no way to retrieve it tonight. So I just went ahead and put the label on without the fancy frame. Close enough. Thanks for holding this for me.

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Bogie
09-26-2012, 11:55 PM
I logged off, then logged back in and the map is still there so I guess we are OK. go ahead and close the challenge. Thanks for waiting.
Lots of great maps to choose from.