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Arkkeeper
05-27-2008, 09:01 PM
You know what I have had the hardest time finding, Blank Globes. I mean like a white globe you can write on and make a stand for. Does anyone know anybody who makes them?

rpgmapmaker
05-27-2008, 10:55 PM
I did a search of Google but did not find any for sale... that where "blank"

I suggest making your own by drawing on a "template"... this was how it was first done so it may be the best way for you to make yours...

http://www.gma.org/surfing/imaging/globe.html

http://www.gma.org/surfing/imaging/gores.gif
http://www.gma.org/surfing/imaging/drawgore.gif
http://www.gma.org/surfing/imaging/taped.gif
http://www.gma.org/surfing/imaging/taping.gif
http://www.gma.org/surfing/imaging/finglobe.gif

-Chris

Arkkeeper
05-28-2008, 10:51 AM
Yeah but now I would have to find a ball that works well. I was just thinking that a blank globe would be a great resource for cartographers and was wondering if anybody knew anybody that did them, thanx for the info on making a needle map though, I'll have to maybe post some of my experimentation into them.

waldronate
05-28-2008, 01:53 PM
Yeah but now I would have to find a ball that works well.

The last time I saw a blank globe for sale it was more expensive than a pre-printed one ($90, I think it was). I figured it was due to low demand and therefore, low sales volume.

You can often get used globes at thrift stores and the like for $5-$20, often with a stand. A few coats of flat paint gives you a nice blank globe. The surfaces can be a bit iffy to start so using a coat or two of papier-mache can make a big difference when you're setting out to draw. Sanding and a paint layer are important, as it turns out.

If you're into crafts, you can start with a thrift-store globe, split it, spray the insides with a nice waterproof release and use it as a form to make your own. It's a pain to do, though, and I wouldn't recommend it.

If you have a local Wal-Mart or similar engine of destruction they often carry 8" styrofoam balls for around $8 which can be converted to a workable writing surface by the addition of some papier-mache (two layers of newsprint, one layer of newsprint+plaster - the plaster can give you built-in mountains until you sand it!).

You can also start with a dodecahedron (20-sided die) made out of whatever material you'd like. See http://www.ridgenet.net/~jslayton/icos.jpg for an image that might be useful as a starting point.

Arkkeeper
05-28-2008, 02:59 PM
wow thanx man.

RobA
05-29-2008, 12:17 AM
Here is a tip for makning your own dry erase boards... might work on a thrift store globe. (These are really cheap as country borders change...)


I'm a teacher and have been trying to convert old classroom chalk boards to dry-erase. I've tried epoxy spray paint, Krylon, and many other types of paint. I found that the best thing to do is to use oil-based/HIGH GLOSS paint to resurface the board. Essentially, the HIGH-GLOSS paint has very little porosity and does not allow the surface to be penetrated by minor solvents such as Dry-Erase Markers. I would use the following steps for converting a chalkboard to a dry-erase board...

1. Prepare the surface with 400-Grade Sandpaper (you can use a lower number, but the surface will become increasingly coarse)

2. Thoroughly dust the surface WITHOUT water (water will make any imperfections swell up, and you will have to wait for the board to dry [about 24-hrs] and re-sand the area)

3. Apply a quality oil-based primer to the surface with a spray gun or a roller (allow full drying time as stated on paint can instructions).

4. Apply two coats of the HIGH-GLOSS paint with a spray gun or roller and make sure to follow the reapplication instructions.

5. Be patient. You need to give the paint about 2 weeks for the chemicals to bond well enough. It seems like a lot of work, but it's actually quite cheap compared to a real dry-erase board.

-Rob A>

GlennZilla
05-29-2008, 10:40 AM
I can give you a much easier method for a dry erase board. Go to the local Lowe's/Home Depot/DIY store and buy a sheet of "Tile Board". It's used to make cheap showers and bath enclosures. Thus it is white, waterproof and most of all cheap. I bought a 4ft x 8ft sheet last year for less than $10. I glued some flattened tin siding to the back and presto instant mangentic whiteboard for under $20 and an afternoon's work.

I'm currently working on using "line tape" which is similar to pinstriping tape to mark off a grid. I just can't seem to find it in a light gray to avoid it contrasting too much.

NeonKnight
05-29-2008, 12:02 PM
Here is the cheapest way to get a globe.

Go to an Arts & Craft's store, and by a styrofoam ball. They come in all sorts of sizes. And they are CHEAP, like maybe a buck or so.

Arkkeeper
05-29-2008, 12:19 PM
Unfortunately styrofoam is an impossible surface to write on.

NeonKnight
05-29-2008, 12:31 PM
Unfortunately styrofoam is an impossible surface to write on.

True, but it can be coated with something that isn't, like paint ;)

RobA
05-30-2008, 10:48 AM
I can give you a much easier method for a dry erase board. Go to the local Lowe's/Home Depot/DIY store and buy a sheet of "Tile Board". It's used to make cheap showers and bath enclosures. Thus it is white, waterproof and most of all cheap. I bought a 4ft x 8ft sheet last year for less than $10. I glued some flattened tin siding to the back and presto instant mangentic whiteboard for under $20 and an afternoon's work.

I'm currently working on using "line tape" which is similar to pinstriping tape to mark off a grid. I just can't seem to find it in a light gray to avoid it contrasting too much.

Grid....? what is the board for?

25 years ago (gulp) my DM bought a 4x4 sheet of plexiglass that we heavily scored on an inch grid. We filled in the score marks with black paint, wiped it off then painted the whole thing white on top. Flip the thing over and that was our play table :) Just mapped as we went along, using pieces from boardgames as markers (I was always the top-hat from monopoly :P)

-Rob A>

su_liam
05-30-2008, 12:41 PM
Dry erase globes? Nice idea. Probably wouldn't be worth the expense, but wouldn't a tablet globe pressure sensitive stylus be cool. As I say, not worth the expense, but cooler than, say, MS Surface :spit:.

GlennZilla
05-30-2008, 05:03 PM
Grid....? what is the board for?

Well some of my play group want to use the D&D minis on a grid. I have been running gridless for a while, but now they want to try it on a battlemat, and that requires adding a grid to my whiteboard.

It also means that we'll be removing the whiteboard from it's place on the wall to the table top.

I was hoping to find some vinyl tape in a light color to use to give an effect similar to graph paper. That way the grid won't be distracting.

RobA
05-30-2008, 09:40 PM
The problem we had with tape was the dry erase collecting badly in the edges. Pinstripe tape might work better. Good luck!

-Rob A>

jumpjack
02-06-2009, 03:50 AM
any idea about where to find a globe 40 cm (or more) wide?

ravells
02-06-2009, 01:18 PM
Buy a beachball and spray paint it?

jumpjack
02-06-2009, 02:00 PM
Buy a beachball and spray paint it?
too soft, I need it to be rigid.

Talroth
02-06-2009, 02:36 PM
I think your best bet will be buying a standard earth globe and just repainting it carefully. Maybe carefully sanding and apply a layer of paper over it before painting could be needed.

RobA
02-06-2009, 02:56 PM
Possibly a craft store polystyrene sphere:

http://barnardltd.com/product.jsp?prodId=1878&catId=628

or a Styrofoam (craft) ball if covering it in paper, but I am not sure how large they come.

-Rob A>

ravells
02-06-2009, 03:03 PM
Or paper mache over the said beach ball....that ought to work. Heh, you could even scuplt the mountain ranges and make it 3d!

jumpjack
02-06-2009, 03:08 PM
I think your best bet will be buying a standard earth globe and just repainting it carefully. Maybe carefully sanding and apply a layer of paper over it before painting could be needed.
the size I want cost more than 600$!!! :o

http://www.1worldglobes.com/giantglobes.htm

Thanks RobA, nice finding!

I also found plexiglass balls, at more affordable price, but not larger than 60 cm:
http://www.marecoluce.it/prodotti/Forme.htm

Prices (http://www.marecoluce.it/listini/listino.xls)

But I can't understand if "QUASAR GRIGIO 600 MM" is spherical or not.... It's in the list, but not on the site?!?
It costs just 33 euros... Would be cool!

jumpjack
02-06-2009, 03:19 PM
Or paper mache over the said beach ball....that ought to work. Heh, you could even scuplt the mountain ranges and make it 3d!
I didn't think abput it!
It would be very cheap!
But would it be smooth enough? :?:
And how could I get it more rigid once finished? Any suitable special paint for modelers...? :?:

Talroth
02-06-2009, 03:19 PM
They don't sell cheap cardboard globes anymore? They're two high density paper product hemispheres held together,... I'm sure you could find something like that for sale somewhere, I remember having 14 inch one at one point, complete with textured surface. But I guess maybe such things have fallen out of production in favor for digital versions?

jumpjack
02-06-2009, 03:37 PM
They don't sell cheap cardboard globes anymore? They're two high density paper product hemispheres held together,... I'm sure you could find something like that for sale somewhere, I remember having 14 inch one at one point, complete with textured surface. But I guess maybe such things have fallen out of production in favor for digital versions?

I don't want a globe smaller than 20 inches! :D 8)

I just found some strange materials paper-mache-like...
http://www.save-on-crafts.com/celpapmacrig.html

Talroth
02-06-2009, 04:07 PM
Sorry, you had said something about 40cm before, and that is closer to 14 inches than 20.

You could always do the math and cut out rings from cardboard, and stack them in a rough sphere, then put a few layers of paper over them. This would likely yield a ball stronger than a lot of options you could come up with.

CBDroege
02-06-2009, 06:48 PM
http://www.plasteelcorp.com/foamshapes/smoothfoam_styrofoam/10073-1.html

That's the cheapest craft sphere over 20" I can find.

jumpjack
02-07-2009, 06:31 AM
Sorry, you had said something about 40cm before, and that is closer to 14 inches than 20.

That was before finding out that plastic sphere 50 cm large do exist! :-)



You could always do the math and cut out rings from cardboard, and stack them in a rough sphere, then put a few layers of paper over them. This would likely yield a ball stronger than a lot of options you could come up with.
Yes, I also thought about this; it would be a VERY heavy ball! :o ;)
Styrofoam would be better... if it wasn't that hard to cut it in circular shape!

jumpjack
02-07-2009, 06:37 AM
http://www.plasteelcorp.com/foamshapes/smoothfoam_styrofoam/10073-1.html

That's the cheapest craft sphere over 20" I can find.
48 Dollars rather than 114 for a 60 cm sphere??? :o
Great finding,thanks!
I hope they send to italy.....
I'll check.

edit:
they also have a 30" one at 69$ !!! :o
But I think it's even bigger than I need.... :D 75cm.... mmmh...

Talroth
02-07-2009, 11:43 AM
The problem with those is that shipping is going to be hellish at best.

If you have a good steady hand, and a large table you can use for a work space, then making a stacked cardboard globe is likely going to be your cheapest way of getting a good, strong globe. Get some corrugated cardboard, do the math for the size you want and start cutting out large circles that you can stack together. Save weight and material by then cutting smaller circles out of the middle of your larger ones, but leave a solid sheet every now and then. (Space them 4-5 inches should be fine) Make each circle say, and inch and a half, two inches wide. How many layers you use, and how much difference in diameter there is between each one depends on the thickness of your cardboard.

Save time and cut two layers at once, one for either hemisphere.

Good luck with your project, I'm thinking I might have to do this myself to get a better idea of my novel world. It would be easier than working on 3D models for it.

jumpjack
02-08-2009, 02:56 PM
48 Dollars rather than 114 for a 60 cm sphere???
Great finding,thanks!
I hope they send to italy.....
I'll check.

They don't send to italy... :( becuse they say the big ball is too fragile and it will break apart.
...so I told them I don't care if it breaks, I'll just... build the puzzle :) , as styrofoam pieces can be easily stitched together, without leaving any junction visible.
And even if they are visible, I'm going to cover the ball with paper, so who cares?
The replied they'll think about it... :)

Sam Conifer
01-16-2011, 05:20 PM
editing post. sorry :(

ravells
01-18-2011, 12:39 PM
They don't send to italy... :( becuse they say the big ball is too fragile and it will break apart.
...so I told them I don't care if it breaks, I'll just... build the puzzle :) , as styrofoam pieces can be easily stitched together, without leaving any junction visible.
And even if they are visible, I'm going to cover the ball with paper, so who cares?
The replied they'll think about it... :)

That's a top idea!!!