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ravells
06-02-2008, 04:24 PM
I'm building a city! Does anyone have a city in the CWBP which this would fit...basically a hillfortress type of affair in fairly verdant country...although I can make the country less verdant to suit.

The City is located in the Thanelands and is called 'Arborea'.

NeonKnight
06-02-2008, 04:33 PM
Looks like it would be a good fit for a currently un-named city/town in Halgestia of the Thanelands

ravells
06-02-2008, 05:01 PM
Gone to the man with the neon hat! I'll have a dekko at the Thanelands and suit it to fit!

Airith
06-02-2008, 07:05 PM
that looks great ravells, and quite natural. definitely want to see how this progresses.

Torq
06-03-2008, 04:05 AM
That looks great Ravs. Hill-top Fortresses are always very useful. I wish I had seen your post earlier because Groam could do with a couple. Oh well, you can make me another one when you're finished ;).

Torq

ravells
06-03-2008, 06:49 AM
LOL! Cheers. Hopefully the process will faster the second time round. I'm still feeling my way around with this.

Neon - do you want to give the city a name and then I'll move this thread into the CWBP forum?

NeonKnight
06-03-2008, 12:24 PM
LOL! Cheers. Hopefully the process will faster the second time round. I'm still feeling my way around with this.

Neon - do you want to give the city a name and then I'll move this thread into the CWBP forum?

Actually, feel free to name it yerself, and then I'll add it to my map. (I often find the name itself helps my creative juices ;)) Like if I called the town Red Keep, you would expect to see a Reddish hued Castle in there somewhere, or Shattered Wall, Deepbay, etc....

ravells
06-04-2008, 07:05 PM
Next stage of the WIP. I need to look at some reference street plans...I know I should but I get lazy and just slap the buildings down any old how. C&Cs welcomed, it's looking a bit blah...needs more variety to the building styles too I think.

Redrobes
06-04-2008, 08:31 PM
Looking amazing already. My only wonder at this stage is how do you get in ? The only sensible entrance seems to be at the top but its surrounded by water. Is it going to get a big bridge ?

Sigurd
06-04-2008, 10:40 PM
Any agriculture or food prep areas?

Sigurd

ravells
06-05-2008, 06:42 AM
The city outline is based on Montepulciano in Italy (if you want beautiful walled cities, northern Italy is the place to go). Attached is the real map with the entrances and exits, which I may or may not follow depending on how the internal structure of the city begins to shape out. The map is drawn with vector software (drawplus), so the towers are dead easy to move around the walls. Similarly the river is easily moved too as it's vector based - but a big bridge sounds quite cool, so I might leave the river where it is.

The information I'm trying to get across (unsuccessfully so far) is that the city is built on a slope which is high in the south and almost at ground level to the north. I think the surrounding mountain conveys that but it's really difficult to graphically depict the slope in the city itself without making a more isometric type view (which comes with all its own horrors of construction).

Also, I'm finding it difficult to give the impression that some of the buildings are higher than others. Varying the length of the drop shadow and inner shadow helps a bit, but the result is still not striking enough to be obvious.

Sigurd, not sure what you mean by 'food prep' areas, but I'll probably dot some farmland around the city. From what I can make out in Neon's CWBP map, it's in the middle of a forest, so I may have to rework the background a bit.

This is my first go at mapping a city and I'm learning a lot as I'm going through it. One of the most difficult aspects, I find is to have the form of the buildings or collection of buildings suggest a function. Without this, I fear that the city will just look like random lego blocks with no underlying human intent and no layers of history written upon it. I think it's time I looked at a few books...

Ravs

ravells
06-05-2008, 08:02 PM
Here's the next WIP. I don't usually own to listening to music while I'm working, but I couldn't get Rainbow's 'Temple of the King' out of my head...so I played it, and it helped.

jfrazierjr
06-05-2008, 08:28 PM
Damn you ravells! You took away the jousting/soccer/football field on the top of the cliff... I was so looking forward to the "plague wars" re-enactments.

Joe

ravells
06-05-2008, 08:37 PM
Didn't fit in with the song....what can I say?

What field on top of the cliff?

jfrazierjr
06-05-2008, 09:02 PM
Didn't fit in with the song....what can I say?

What field on top of the cliff?

This one... I love Snag-It for screen caps.....

Joe

ravells
06-05-2008, 09:32 PM
OH right! if you look closely there are still bits of it left...but more for a game of bowls!

ravells
06-07-2008, 08:03 AM
Renamed city 'Arborea' and moved to the CWBP forum. Putting this on hold for the June Competition.

ravells
06-24-2008, 08:52 PM
Here is the next WIP, I think (subject to C&Cs) just the labelling and the interminable fiddling to do and then I'll call it finished.

jfrazierjr
06-24-2008, 09:42 PM
Here is the next WIP, I think (subject to C&Cs) just the labelling and the interminable fiddling to do and then I'll call it finished.


I like the look much better with the lake/loch/whatever thingy! I still miss my cliff top football field though...:(

Joe

Ascension
06-24-2008, 11:54 PM
Lookin really nice, except for the word Cittie (unless that is intentional). Love the texture of the city streets and the buildings look like they've been chiseled out of stone, really nice.

NeonKnight
06-25-2008, 03:59 AM
Very pretty. I can see the place now as a somewhat 'bumpkiness' place (of the opinion of most of the more 'civilised' of the Skoldavean folk).

I can see the place now as producing much rich timber, furs and pelts, as well as likely unique & highly sought after foodstuffs (truffles anyone?), yet with the presence of the large likely mostly standing water of the area (and likely somewhat marshy in places) I can see the area as also suffering from insects (like mosquitoes) and a few other vermin.

So, an important local with important resources, but certainly not an enjoyable place to be. Again, all based off where I grew up in Northern British Columbia

ravells
06-25-2008, 10:04 AM
Lookin really nice, except for the word Cittie (unless that is intentional). Love the texture of the city streets and the buildings look like they've been chiseled out of stone, really nice.

Thanks, Ascension. 'Cittie' is intentional (perhaps a bit too faux 'ye olde' though) - one of the pubs I used to drink at when i was a student was 'The Cittie of York' and it's name just popped into my head when I was doing the label.

RobA
06-25-2008, 04:08 PM
That is an interesting water technique! I like it.

One question on the elevations... Does the city slope up to the water in the south, or is it on a plateau with the rest of the land dropping away? If the latter, how does the lake level fit with the terrain?

-Rob A>

ravells
06-25-2008, 04:48 PM
Thanks! I think it's taken from one of the water textures in the textures section (I think I might have even made it - but I can't remember now).

Yes, the city slopes up to the water in the south...I've put a shadow in to hopefully make it clearer. One of my challenges here was to build the city on a slope, so the natural point for the entrance would be in the north, where the gradient is at its shallowest.

I can't think of anything else to put into this one. I quite like this map, it has a kind of 'compact completeness' about it. I'm really pleased at how the elements seem to fit together to form a whole picture (to me at least). I find this very hard to explain and I don't think that most of my other maps have it, it's just a satisfying balance is the closest I can come to explaining it.

Redrobes
07-23-2008, 08:01 PM
This is a great map. Do you know where exactly it is located in Halgestia ?

Steel General
07-23-2008, 08:15 PM
Great job Ravells, that looks fantastic!

NeonKnight
07-23-2008, 11:39 PM
This is a great map. Do you know where exactly it is located in Halgestia ?

See top post. I guess I should update my Thanelands map.....:?

Redrobes
07-24-2008, 09:11 AM
See top post. I guess I should update my Thanelands map.....:?Whoops, I read and reread all the text but didn't study all the pics. Luckily thats where I put it already on my map so thats cool.

ravells
07-24-2008, 09:42 AM
Thanks Guys!