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vorropohaiah
01-05-2013, 04:34 PM
Hi all.

Been sick in bed for the past week and, though I should have been writing (finishing off the first draft of my novel...) I've found myself looking at my Conworld (Elyden) and wondering what i can do with the regions of the world I'm no that familiar with. Long story short, ?I've spent the last 8-years-or-so creating the world of Elyden (histories, languages, mythologies, climates, etc.). This has resulted in dozens of short stories (most unpublishd), some novelas and plenty of unfinished novels as well as a 500,000+ word encyclopedia for my perusal, all detailing different aspects of the world.

So far the majority of my attentions have been absorbed by the so-called Empire of Korachan (later sundered into two: the High-empire of Korachan in the north and the Reaffirmed Empire of Sarastro in the south), though I've decided now to spend some time in the so-called hinterlands of the east. To anyone interested in my 'complete' map of Korachan and the Inner Sea can check out these threads: here (http://www.cartographersguild.com/cartographers-choice/20147-high-empire-korachan-inner-sea-vorropohaiah.html) and here (http://www.cartographersguild.com/finished-maps/19685-high-empire-korachan-inner-sea.html); as well as an older W.I.P here (http://www.cartographersguild.com/regional-world-mapping/18773-elyden-map.html).

This is a W.I.P tracking the progress of my attempts at fleshing out the lands east of the Korachani empire. The below map is a very low-res version (anyone who's seen the Korachani map will know I like working at high res :)) mock-up of what i imagine the final product will look like. This may take a while to get off the ground as I only have a reasonable idea of what encompasses the western-most of the two continents detailed here (a dry-temperate and arid land populated by a diapsora of people from more southern lands. I'm thinking a major nation [Tethysia, to anyone interested], an advanced nation of dark-skinned people, sort of a cross between renaissance europe and ancient egypt, with some archaic steampunk elements) - the eastern-most one is a big blank canvas: very exciting as i love coming up with names and histories (though myth does describe it as the birthplace of earth-magic. At least I have the graticules and climate bands to guide me now...

The projection is equidistant conic, with quite a bit of distortion, particularly around the north pole and lands south of the equator, though I wanted to keep it in a similar format to the other map, not just style. The scale is smaller than the previous map (ie: there is much more land covered in an identically-sized map).

C&C welcome as well as suggestions :)

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Diamond
01-05-2013, 05:35 PM
Very much looking forward to seeing this develop!

By the way, shouldn't you have a Featured Map Scroll thingy below your name for your High Empire map?

Schwarzkreuz
01-05-2013, 05:50 PM
You should write a book like Fonstad about Middle Earth. You seem to have far enough material for this.
I would love to have my material in bookform, but most of it is in handwritten German Language.

vorropohaiah
01-05-2013, 05:51 PM
By the way, shouldn't you have a Featured Map Scroll thingy below your name for your High Empire map?

hmm.... true. i want my scroll now!



You should write a book like Fonstad about Middle Earth. You seem to have far enough material for this.
I would love to have my material in bookform, but most of it is in handwritten German Language.

once i get enough smaller regional maps done, that is something i'd love to do. or an old-school-type atlas. :)

Schwarzkreuz
01-05-2013, 09:04 PM
Same wish here ;)

Oh man, I like your projection lines, I wish I would understand how to do such....

vorropohaiah
01-06-2013, 03:38 AM
Same wish here ;)

Oh man, I like your projection lines, I wish I would understand how to do such....

I really used to struggle with graticules and projections too, though (through the help of the wonderful members of Cartographer's guild :)) I've found a wonderful NASA generator calledG. Projector (http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/gprojector/). basically you can draw a world map in equirectangular projection, upload it to that programme and then scroll through over 100 different projections. you can fiddle around with settings and graticules and export the result as a jpg. I then use that jpg as a base for a new map. It can be a bit time-consuming changing between projections (and regenerating clean coastlines - the exported file isn't very high res), though I think it's worth it.

Schwarzkreuz
01-06-2013, 05:11 AM
I enjoy your comeback to mapping. Is your world source material/ enzyclopedia somewhere to read?

Eilathen
01-06-2013, 07:15 AM
Yeah, very much looking forward to this too. But then you already knew that i'am a big fan, vorropohaiah, didn't you ;)

vorropohaiah
01-06-2013, 09:11 AM
I enjoy your comeback to mapping. Is your world source material/ enzyclopedia somewhere to read?

Thanks :) regarding the encyclopedia, it's currently not in a format that's 'fitting' for other people to read (typos, lots of seemingly pointless notes and bullet points with some regions detailed over dozens of pages and others existing as little more than a name). Though I've taken 2 relatively well-developed pages and polished them up to a standard similar to what I'd like the finished thing to be like:

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that JPG is a two-A4-page spread, to give an idea of what i have at the moment. The full encyclopaedia (as it stands now) is 466-pages long (in that format), and is divided in two: with the first 237-pages in an alphabetical format similar to that above, and the rest divided into sections (like mythologies, regional histories, flora/fauna, languages, timelines, etc.). There are no pictures or maps included in it so far though eventually I want to add detailed regional maps as well as some small sketches similar to those in books like the Encyclopedia Britannica etc. I expect the full thing to grow to over 1,000-pages when (if) I ever finish it. Id love to print it out one day with an accompanying atlas (possibly in 3 volumes: the encyclopaedia, the appendices, and the atlas).

I originally wanted to develop a wiki (mostly for my own use) though got discouraged by the mount of hyperlinking involved (as it's a living document, I'm constantly revising and editing and removing parts so if I ever go down the wiki-route it'll have to be after i finish it.

I do also have a blog of sorts HERE (http://vorropohaiah.blogspot.com/) where I sometimes post stories and snippets as well as things to do with cartography, though there isnt really that much at the moment.

Vellum
01-06-2013, 11:43 AM
Holy crap Vorropohaiah that's impressive!!! have some rep :) But you do have your work cut out for you to complete it.

Diamond
01-06-2013, 03:39 PM
Wow, man. That's exactly what I've been compiling for my own con-world over the last several years, though yours looks much prettier.

arsheesh
01-08-2013, 03:33 AM
Wow, man. That's exactly what I've been compiling for my own con-world over the last several years, though yours looks much prettier.

Dido, I have a 57 page index just like this for my world of Eriond, but this is "much" prettier than my word doc. This really inspires me to want to do more with it though.

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

arsheesh
01-08-2013, 03:38 AM
I originally wanted to develop a wiki (mostly for my own use) though got discouraged by the mount of hyperlinking involved (as it's a living document, I'm constantly revising and editing and removing parts so if I ever go down the wiki-route it'll have to be after i finish it.

Yeah there is a lot of hyperlinking involved, but I've got to say, I'm a big fan of the wiki system, it's really helped me keep track of my campaign setting related info, as well as to give my players a basic reference to my world. Have you looked at the Obsidian Portal? While I haven't done anything with my site in the last year or so, here's a link (http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/age-of-legends) to my own OP wiki to give you an idea of what you can do at the portal.

vorropohaiah
01-08-2013, 05:06 AM
Yeah there is a lot of hyperlinking involved, but I've got to say, I'm a big fan of the wiki system, it's really helped me keep track of my campaign setting related info, as well as to give my players a basic reference to my world. Have you looked at the Obsidian Portal? While I haven't done anything with my site in the last year or so, here's a link (http://www.obsidianportal.com/campaigns/age-of-legends) to my own OP wiki to give you an idea of what you can do at the portal.

that's very nicely put together. I'd love something like that for my own world, though don't really have the money/time to show someone what I want (as i cant really do that stuff myself. though call me old-school, but i do prefer the look and feel of a book over a website (though in your case if its a campaign setting, it is certainly the best way of getting the info to players)

vorropohaiah
01-09-2013, 10:22 AM
so, a bit of an update on the 'Hinterlands' map (the word hinterlands being a bit of a misnomer here as it covers an area far larger than that of the empire that created the map itself...). I say bit of an update, but i basically wen't back to the drawing board and started over as i wasn't happy with the layout of the previous version (largely the fact that i was repeating so many regions in the north-west of the map from the previous map. so i repositioned the continents and came up with this:

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Jaxilon
01-09-2013, 10:33 AM
Nice encyclopedia thing. I'm like you in that I prefer the look of a book but what can you do. I think your effort to get the book feel on your finished pages is quite nice. Now you just need to find a booklet app or something that allows you to turn pages like a book.

- Max -
01-09-2013, 10:57 AM
Nice map here. Thing that disturbs me is that it seems pixellated on many places. Is that because of a poor resolution?

vorropohaiah
01-09-2013, 11:09 AM
Nice map here. Thing that disturbs me is that it seems pixellated on many places. Is that because of a poor resolution?
that's just due to the severe reduction in image size i have to do to get the thing to conform to the site's 4.7 mb upload limit. the full thing is 41" x 61" and is 300dpi. the uploaded JPG is about 75dpi..


Nice encyclopedia thing. I'm like you in that I prefer the look of a book but what can you do. I think your effort to get the book feel on your finished pages is quite nice. Now you just need to find a booklet app or something that allows you to turn pages like a book.
ooh i do like that... :)

- Max -
01-09-2013, 11:17 AM
Yea that's what I thought...Maybe you'd add some split parts?

Midgardsormr
01-09-2013, 11:27 AM
That's… quite a lot of pixels. 300 dpi is rather excessive for even a standard poster print, and that's large even by poster standards. Are you aiming merely to give yourself a lot of flexibility for the future, or is your intended presentation format a huge poster that viewers can view at less than arm's length?

Not that I object to lots of pixels, but it seems like it would be cumbersome to work with. Anyway, you might get better results from your rescale if you use a different filter. If you're using Photoshop, go to Edit > Preferences > General (Ctrl-K). In the Image Interpolation drop-down, try Bicubic Sharper. Recent versions of Photoshop conveniently give you hints as to which filter is best for certain tasks. It's usually best to leave it at Bicubic for general work, but if you're getting artifacts from a rescale, it can be worthwhile to try the others. Just don't forget to change it back when you're done.

vorropohaiah
01-09-2013, 11:37 AM
That's… quite a lot of pixels. 300 dpi is rather excessive for even a standard poster print, and that's large even by poster standards. Are you aiming merely to give yourself a lot of flexibility for the future, or is your intended presentation format a huge poster that viewers can view at less than arm's length?
yeah, the idea is to print them out at full-size for my study/gaming room (where they will serve the more functional purpose of being within reach whenever I'm writing and need quick points of reference). with the amount of locations and regions listed on them, a lot of the labels need to be quite small (9-point font) so the high-res helps.


Not that I object to lots of pixels, but it seems like it would be cumbersome to work with. Anyway, you might get better results from your rescale if you use a different filter. If you're using Photoshop, go to Edit > Preferences > General (Ctrl-K). In the Image Interpolation drop-down, try Bicubic Sharper. Recent versions of Photoshop conveniently give you hints as to which filter is best for certain tasks. It's usually best to leave it at Bicubic for general work, but if you're getting artifacts from a rescale, it can be worthwhile to try the others. Just don't forget to change it back when you're done.
yep, that's just how I resize them when minimizing, though keep n mind the colouring on the map is just a mock-up at this point. i work in B/W and then colourize once I'm done. even the original Elyden map I've posted elsewhere on this website isn't the 100% finished product as its constantly evolving as i write regional histories. Again, resizing a 400mb PSD into a 4.7mb jpg will leave you with some artifacts.

Schwarzkreuz
01-14-2013, 07:56 PM
Oh, I cant wait to see more of your maps and your world.

Freehand 5.5
01-14-2013, 08:18 PM
Vorropohaiah, that font you are using has a horrible kerning. I would delete it from my hard disc.

vorropohaiah
01-15-2013, 12:49 AM
Vorropohaiah, that font you are using has a horrible kerning. I would delete it from my hard disc.

yeah, hence the typography thread I opened to get feedback :)

Schwarzkreuz
01-15-2013, 06:48 PM
Looking at the old map, there were ultra flat typography at the mountains and regios