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megabyter5
06-17-2008, 05:39 PM
Hey everyone. I just joined because I want to make maps for Maptool. I suck at almost everything I do, so I'll probably suck at this too. So if there's anyone who doesn't already hate me, speak up and try to help me.

NeonKnight
06-17-2008, 05:41 PM
Welcome aboard. let us know what software you use, and someone can step forward and give some pointers.

And nobody here hates you....yet ;)

megabyter5
06-17-2008, 05:42 PM
Oh, right. I mainly use GIMP, but I'm no good at it.

Robbie
06-17-2008, 06:17 PM
I hate you...only so I can be the first at...

Just kidding ;)

Once you get done here, you'll suck at everything you do...except mapping.

megabyter5
06-17-2008, 06:21 PM
Cool. So where should I start?

Redrobes
06-17-2008, 06:43 PM
Cool. So where should I start?Well I would start by telling Neon that he sucks at gaming with miniatures then tell Arcana that his site sucks and then...

Oh maps...right... well the tutorials are a good place :)

BTW - welcome. Oh and your welcome to hate me as I write a competing product to MapTool ;) Well hardly competing because its obviously so much better etc etc LOL

jfrazierjr
06-17-2008, 07:59 PM
Cool. So where should I start?

Start at the beginning... Check out tutorials here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48

Specifically, start with RobA's GIMP tutorials here:

http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1142 (10000+ views!!!)

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=594

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=875

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=533

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1048

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=874

ummm and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1397

Torstan's hand drawn GIMP maps here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=2035

Hapimeses Mountain tutorial (external link to video tut) here (not GIMP specific, but general enough to use almost any software with): http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1669

These posted by pyrandon (Photoshop, but should be generic enough to do easily in GIMP): http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=547

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1482

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1150

Then after all that, you can look at any others that kind of strike your fancy. It all depends on the style of map you are looking for. Also, be sure to check out the featured maps here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/forumdisplay.php?f=43

And finally, start mapping and post your works in progress using the manage attachments button as as you go. I would suggest an order like this for outdoor maps (regional and world):



Land and Water (Seas and perhaps lakes)
Mountains
Trees
Rivers
Towns
Roads


and post between each session for feedback.

Joe

Torq
06-18-2008, 01:39 AM
Man, JFJ. I dont think anyone who asked the question "where do I start?" ever receieved such a comprehensive answer. Over the next 12 years megabyter 5 might hate you now, as he plows through all that material, but I doubt he will hate you when he's been through it. Great choice of starting materials.

Oh, and big welcome Megabyter.

Torq

ravells
06-18-2008, 01:42 AM
Likewise! Welcome to the guild, Megabyter - and jfrazier, that's a great list. Might be worth a sticky for people who don't know where to start.

industrygothica
06-18-2008, 03:43 AM
Start at the beginning... Check out tutorials here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48

Specifically, start with RobA's GIMP tutorials here:

http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1142 (10000+ views!!!)

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=594

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=875

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=533

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1048

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=874

ummm and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1397

Torstan's hand drawn GIMP maps here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=2035

Hapimeses Mountain tutorial (external link to video tut) here (not GIMP specific, but general enough to use almost any software with): http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1669

These posted by pyrandon (Photoshop, but should be generic enough to do easily in GIMP): http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=547

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1482

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1150

Then after all that, you can look at any others that kind of strike your fancy. It all depends on the style of map you are looking for. Also, be sure to check out the featured maps here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/forumdisplay.php?f=43

And finally, start mapping and post your works in progress using the manage attachments button as as you go. I would suggest an order like this for outdoor maps (regional and world):



Land and Water (Seas and perhaps lakes)
Mountains
Trees
Rivers
Towns
Roads


and post between each session for feedback.

Joe

Good Lord...

I'm repping you for the effort. That's a fantastic list.

-IG

torstan
06-18-2008, 04:22 AM
/runs off to finish writing the tutorial before that list gets stickied.

Welcome megabyter5. You'll find that quite a few people here make maps for VTTs - so much so that there's even a forum for it. Last months competition was a VTT one so I'd have a look at the entries then go through the Work In Progress posts for the ones you like the style of. Best way to start is to find a map you want to draw and start a thread about it. Even if the first step is only a rough idea or sketch, we'll all chip in with advice to help you get where you are going.

jfrazierjr
06-18-2008, 12:47 PM
Specifically, start with RobA's GIMP tutorials here:

http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1142 (10000+ views!!!)

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=594

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=875

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=533

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1048

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=874

ummm and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1397


These posted by pyrandon (Photoshop, but should be generic enough to do easily in GIMP): http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=547

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1482

and here: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1150


It's a good thing RobA, ravells, and Pyrandon don't get a book icon for each tutorial they do, there would be no room for anything else on their sidebar for their avatars. heh.....

Ravells has: 6
Pyrandon has: 3
RobA has: 8

These are JUST the ones marked with the tutorial icon! Of course, no one is even close to beating RobA's number of views with his Regional Map tutorial at a whopping 10,100+ views in just over 8 months! pyrandon should feel pretty great about his Eneini: a medieval city tutorial: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=530 with just over 3000 views also.

Joe

Karro
06-18-2008, 01:39 PM
It's a good thing RobA, ravells, and Pyrandon don't get a book icon for each tutorial they do, there would be no room for anything else on their sidebar for their avatars. heh.....

Ravells has: 6
Pyrandon has: 3
RobA has: 8

These are JUST the ones marked with the tutorial icon! Of course, no one is even close to beating RobA's number of views with his Regional Map tutorial at a whopping 10,100+ views in just over 8 months! pyrandon should feel pretty great about his Eneini: a medieval city tutorial: http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=530 with just over 3000 views also.

Joe

And you are to be commended for digging these all up! I didn't even know some of those tutorials existed!

ravells
06-18-2008, 02:25 PM
Hey jfrazierjr as you've got the bit between your teeth - if you want to make an ultimate list of tutorials for beginners with a short explanation as to what each tutorial is about, I'll make it a sticky for all our new users - and (if you need encouragement) you can have a tutorial badge for your work. Deal?

jfrazierjr
06-18-2008, 02:58 PM
Hey jfrazierjr as you've got the bit between your teeth - if you want to make an ultimate list of tutorials for beginners with a short explanation as to what each tutorial is about, I'll make it a sticky for all our new users - and (if you need encouragement) you can have a tutorial badge for your work. Deal?

While I don't mind doing that (and will over the next day or so), what I would really prefer to see would be a new top level forum with subforums devoted to a few of the more specific software packages. I think that would help quite a bit


+Main
+Gallery
+Mapping Resources
+Mapmaking Discussion & Philosophy (WIP/Critique)
+Tutorials/How-to's
+General Mapping techniques
-Idiots guide to making mountains in any raster image editor or by hand
-how to get nice looking forests without a lot of work
-Making ISO mountains? Make sure your forests have tree trunks, and heres how....
+Photoshop
-PS How to make a Regional/World map
-PS How to make a Nice City map in PS
+GIMP
-GIMP Mountains made easy
-Making nice map tree's in GIMP
+Campaign Cartographer
-Baz's super great CC Dungeon map Tutorial
+Other/Generic or multiple software tutorials
-Using Inkscape and GIMP to make a foo style map
+Hand Draw Maps
-Bar's ultimate guide to totally hand drawn maps




Something like that.

Joe

wacko76
06-18-2008, 03:00 PM
Hey jfrazierjr as you've got the bit between your teeth - if you want to make an ultimate list of tutorials for beginners with a short explanation as to what each tutorial is about, I'll make it a sticky for all our new users - and (if you need encouragement) you can have a tutorial badge for your work. Deal?

Uh, yes, jfrazierjr (what a nick, took me 5 mins to type it correctly) please do it. I'll be your personal slave.* Pretty please?





















* Applies only in the Republic of Mars, from Feb 29th, 2007, 23:59 till March, 1st, 00:00, 2007.

ravells
06-18-2008, 05:55 PM
While I don't mind doing that (and will over the next day or so), what I would really prefer to see would be a new top level forum with subforums devoted to a few of the more specific software packages. I think that would help quite a bit


+Main
+Gallery
+Mapping Resources
+Mapmaking Discussion & Philosophy (WIP/Critique)
+Tutorials/How-to's
+General Mapping techniques
-Idiots guide to making mountains in any raster image editor or by hand
-how to get nice looking forests without a lot of work
-Making ISO mountains? Make sure your forests have tree trunks, and heres how....
+Photoshop
-PS How to make a Regional/World map
-PS How to make a Nice City map in PS
+GIMP
-GIMP Mountains made easy
-Making nice map tree's in GIMP
+Campaign Cartographer
-Baz's super great CC Dungeon map Tutorial
+Other/Generic or multiple software tutorials
-Using Inkscape and GIMP to make a foo style map
+Hand Draw Maps
-Bar's ultimate guide to totally hand drawn maps

Something like that.

Joe

Make the post and then let's talk :)

Bear in mind that we do try to keep the site software agnostic. :)

Robbie
06-18-2008, 06:37 PM
We actually used to have forums broken out for specific software like that, but it was quite counter-intuitive, and didn't really promote mapping across the board...that was before we had all this activity we have now though. I'll put it up for discussion in the CL forum though so we can hash it out.

Ascension
06-18-2008, 09:06 PM
Maybe just the tutorials section be broken down by software like jfraz said, that way I can see the various things I can do with what I already have and see things that I could do if I had this or that. If all the tuts state at the beginning what software it is for then I guess it's all moot but...

Anywho, my 2 cents

RobA
06-19-2008, 10:19 AM
I personally like NOT having software specific forums. This way I can see what other software does (that I might not know about) and/or figure out how to achieve the same effect with other (often free/open source) software.

The techniques are often universal...

-Rob A>

ravells
06-19-2008, 11:35 AM
I regularly go through all the tut titles and amend them if they are software specific and the name of the software isn't mentioned.


Maybe just the tutorials section be broken down by software like jfraz said, that way I can see the various things I can do with what I already have and see things that I could do if I had this or that. If all the tuts state at the beginning what software it is for then I guess it's all moot but...

Anywho, my 2 cents