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thamupp
05-23-2013, 09:45 PM
I feel a bit silly posting all these WIP threads at the same time but I can't help myself. Getting inspiration from this board I got the wonderful idea of mapping Ancient Greece. Just like with the european map, I'm not at all sure where this 'project' is going, but it looks kind of cool so far.

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Here's the current map. I just started with the main river branches.



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And here's some concept/testing maps. The first one is a test of country labels/borders and the other two are the two different timeframes I've been thinking about. Both look really good, so I can't decide wich one I prefer, however, I'm leaning towards the Peloponnesian War one since having more Greek cities on the anatolian coast might look quite interesting, on the flip side it makes the Persian borders look kind of weird. I'd love to know your thoughts on this!

Gumboot
05-24-2013, 04:09 AM
I'm of two minds too I'm afraid, I like both. One thing, will you use the names as you have shown on this map, or the names of the period? The names you have are how the region was named during Medieval times - for example the Gulf of Lepanto was (and today is) the Gulf of Corinth, the Gulf of Salonica was the Thermaic Gulf, and the Gulf of Egina was the Saronic Gulf.

- Max -
05-24-2013, 04:17 AM
omg, another Diamond with unfinished WIPs !!! :D

thamupp
05-24-2013, 07:40 AM
I'm of two minds too I'm afraid, I like both. One thing, will you use the names as you have shown on this map, or the names of the period? The names you have are how the region was named during Medieval times - for example the Gulf of Lepanto was (and today is) the Gulf of Corinth, the Gulf of Salonica was the Thermaic Gulf, and the Gulf of Egina was the Saronic Gulf.

Consider any labels currently on the map placeholders. Are you just very familiar with the region or do you know a good resource/map for the Aegean Sea? Unfortunately I know next to nothing about this region or it's history. So I'm hoping someone here might be able to guide me when it comes to certain names/borders.


omg, another Diamond with unfinished WIPs !!! :D

Hopefully this is the last one... this week. :D

Schwarzkreuz
05-24-2013, 09:36 AM
Splendid waveform Labels! Can you tell me how to do so? I am realy bad with curved fonts....

thamupp
05-24-2013, 09:46 AM
Splendid waveform Labels! Can you tell me how to do so? I am realy bad with curved fonts....

It's just curved paths. In photoshop you can draw a path then put the text cursor on top of it and write on the path. You can also write on shapes, if you want to make a circle of text for example.

EDIT: Here's a picture of the process. I assume most people already know of this, but perhaps it would be worth posting as a mini-tut?

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Gumboot
05-25-2013, 03:44 AM
Consider any labels currently on the map placeholders. Are you just very familiar with the region or do you know a good resource/map for the Aegean Sea? Unfortunately I know next to nothing about this region or it's history. So I'm hoping someone here might be able to guide me when it comes to certain names/borders.

It can be tricky finding good labelled maps of Ancient Greece with the historical names, particularly of the water ways.

Here's three I've found though, which I am pretty sure have the ancient names:

http://www.oxfordtutorials.com/GreeceMap.jpg

http://www.emersonkent.com/images/ancient_greece_south.jpg

http://www.grece-bleue.net/cartes/cartes-grece-antique/grece-empire-athenien-450avJC.jpg

thamupp
05-25-2013, 08:12 AM
It can be tricky finding good labelled maps of Ancient Greece with the historical names, particularly of the water ways.

Here's three I've found though, which I am pretty sure have the ancient names:

http://www.oxfordtutorials.com/GreeceMap.jpg

http://www.emersonkent.com/images/ancient_greece_south.jpg

http://www.grece-bleue.net/cartes/cartes-grece-antique/grece-empire-athenien-450avJC.jpg

Wow, thank you so much for this! That will be very helpful.

thamupp
05-27-2013, 07:28 PM
Found some other great maps/sources for the map today, and I've decided to go for the first border idea after I found out I could probably expand some of the states in the OP picture a bit, so that they cover most of Greece.

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(League of Peloponnese)

Added most of the cities to the Peloponnese that I wanted, and this is probably the final borders for the Peloponnesian League. Still not sure on how to do regional/internal borders yet, but haven't even started experimenting with that yet.

Oh and don't worry about the text overlapping etc, I will fix that once I add in the city dots.

- Max -
05-27-2013, 08:03 PM
Borders are still WIP, right?

thamupp
05-28-2013, 02:51 AM
Borders are still WIP, right?

Do you mean country borders or the map border? Well both are still WIP anyways.

- Max -
05-28-2013, 06:07 AM
I meant country borders...so...ok :)

thamupp
05-28-2013, 06:40 AM
I meant country borders...so...ok :)

Well, the "shape" of the spartan alliance is pretty much finished but thier style will be looked at once i get all the countries in.

Schwarzkreuz
05-29-2013, 09:30 AM
Poke! Want to see more :)

thamupp
07-14-2013, 02:00 PM
Not much progress.

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- Max -
07-14-2013, 02:18 PM
Looks very nice so far, keep up the good job!

thamupp
07-22-2013, 02:12 PM
Getting some inspiration from this thread (http://www.cartographersguild.com/regional-world-mapping/23937-styletest-19th-century-historical-map.html) i decided to try a similar border style for this map. I think it turned out okay, so i'll leave it like this for now i think.

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- Max -
07-22-2013, 02:38 PM
Looks good so far :)

Freodin
07-26-2013, 03:34 AM
Inquiring minds want to know: how did you do the stripes?

Caenwyr
07-26-2013, 03:39 AM
Inquiring minds want to know: how did you do the stripes?I second that!

MeFanch
07-26-2013, 05:11 AM
I'm not sure the method he used. It appears there is more than 1 way to skin a cat after all (though why you would want to skin one I'll never know!)

But, in gimp you can create a grid on a new layer. When setting it up, either remove the verticle or horizantal, change spacing and line width/color to your preference. Go to your outline, shrink it or expand it (depending on if you're going for an internal or external "highlight") and create boarder (again to your width preference). Go to your grided (which actually should be a whole mess of parrallell lines), and hit delete... er. Should have just removed everything not in the selected boarder area. Unselect, and filter as you prefer - blur, fuzzie, motion etc to get the effect you want.

If you want them in a diagonal rather than verticle or horizantal - before deleting the unselected part - just rotate the parallell line layer to the angle you want - then hit delete.

If that makes any kind of sense? (I'm not at my computer w/ gimp on it.. so my terms may not make quite as much sense - and I may be calling them what I think they are rather than the actual button names).

Granted, there is probably a lot of other ways, maybe some that are even simpler (scripts or what not). But, I don't really use any scripts. Just the basics.

randigpanzrall
07-26-2013, 07:34 AM
This gonna be a cool map. I like the borderīs style too and I would like to know, how you arranged it. The only thing is, that in your map the blue coastal border-lines are too similar with the blue country-lines of the attic alliance (or whatever), but a different color would solve this "problem", if you share my point...

thamupp
07-26-2013, 09:43 AM
This gonna be a cool map. I like the borderīs style too and I would like to know, how you arranged it. The only thing is, that in your map the blue coastal border-lines are too similar with the blue country-lines of the attic alliance (or whatever), but a different color would solve this "problem", if you share my point...

Indeed, I changed the blue color shortly after uploading the picture on here, do once I get a new picture up you'll see.

I'll also try and get a mini tutorial or something up describing how I did the line borders. I'm using photoshop by the way.

Anyways, it's really fun to see some more interest in this thread, that always keeps you motivated.

randigpanzrall
07-26-2013, 11:05 AM
absolutely !!

For the past I always worked with illustrator because Iīm afraid of pixelish borders and so on. In the future - in order to create more artificial maps - Iīll have to become photoshops friend, I fear ;)
Go on with Greek, Iīm looking for more!!
Are you from Greece?

thamupp
09-13-2013, 03:59 AM
Hehe, no, I'm scandinavian.