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Azelor
07-27-2013, 08:43 PM
As you might already have seen my previous topic, I have moved the topic here in order to participate. When I started working on my map earlier this week I did not know there was a contest, so I decided to give it a shot.

It's a map for a possible steampunk rpg campaing that should take place in Europe and in the Ottoman Empire prior the revolutions of 1848. The setting is not altered politically but the technology is more advance.

To make it, I'm using illustrator and photoshop and Indesing (just a little)

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- Max -
07-27-2013, 08:48 PM
Not sure you used paths to curve labels. If you didn't I'd rather use this. Also the curves of most of your labels doesn't make that sense in terms of the shapes of the countries.

Failtality
07-27-2013, 09:13 PM
I always like the history of Western Europe and how it looked politically different over the years, so great job! This is for an alternate history type of thing, or one just based in history? I'm interested to see where you're going :)

Azelor
07-27-2013, 10:24 PM
The game start with the historical setting but as the tale progress it will slowly start to diverge .

Max: do you mean this ? http://www.cartographersguild.com/tutorials-how/23481-mini-tutorial-curved-text-photoshop.html
yes, that is how I made most of the labels.

Ill try to adjust it but I'm not sure what you mean

- Max -
07-27-2013, 10:47 PM
Pretty good thing you use the paths to curve your labels. What I meant is that curved labels make sense when it need to be curved. If you have room for an horizontal one, go for it (or a very slight horizontal curve). If you dn't have room, curve it trying to follow the country orientation/shape and use kerning to fill the space.

thamupp
07-28-2013, 07:08 AM
I think I understand what Max is saying, and he makes a good point. Have a look at this map for example. (http://www.cartographersguild.com/attachments/regional-world-mapping/56457d1375009381-europe-1623-otoomans.jpg) Most big labels go either straight or are slightly curved becouse there is little reason for them to curve to much. Then take a look at the Papal States, a great example for using a more curved label.

I hope that makes sense.

The picture is from this thread. (http://www.cartographersguild.com/regional-world-mapping/23441-europe-1623-a-2.html#post221572)

PS. I love the map by the way. Every Time there's a real world map on here I just love it!

Azelor
07-28-2013, 12:33 PM
Ok so I I understand what you mean, It's better to have straight labels unless they are too big. Right ?

So either I make them straight at the same size or I could make them bigger and curve them if necessary.

- Max -
07-28-2013, 02:04 PM
You got it. You can switch straight labels to very slight curved ones if you want to.

WillP
07-28-2013, 06:54 PM
Very interesting map. I'm going to throw this out for anyone to answer...Should he pick one language for his map and stick to it or go with the polyglot mesh like he has now? Personally, I like the single language route.

Azelor
07-29-2013, 12:33 AM
Very interesting map. I'm going to throw this out for anyone to answer...Should he pick one language for his map and stick to it or go with the polyglot mesh like he has now? Personally, I like the single language route.

That is the question I was asking myself. It's getting more inconsistent in eastern Europe since (take Poland for example) is divided between Austria, Prussia, and Russia. Should I put the name in polish, russian or german? I'm not so sure. Stick with one languege might be better.

I need your opinion on this. If it's single language I hesitate between french, english or maybe latin... Would using french be a problem since most people use english?

By the way I should update soon, fixed the lettering.


edit: What do you think of including others important cities to the maps? this is the illustrator version so don't pay much attention to the other layers
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Azelor
07-30-2013, 08:36 PM
I changed the labels and added a couple of details. Good ideas but I'm not sure I like the result.

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Jaxilon
07-31-2013, 02:12 AM
Nice work here. There isn't really any size limits other than I think you can only upload around 4.5mb or something near that.....I always forget.

Azelor
08-01-2013, 12:11 AM
Thanks for the Info. I heard it was like 33 megapixels, that's small...

so far I know that:

Png files are bigger so unless I have transparency, it's useless.
Gif is good for compression but loose on details, and creates nasty visual artefacts.
Jpeg is smaller than png and don't scrap the quality like gif. But no transparency.

edit : you where pretty close, it's 4,67 mb. It seems I don't need to compress it if I save with jpeg, I just need to lower the quality. The final results are better.

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Azelor
08-02-2013, 01:06 AM
The file should be ok now. I edited the labels and did some changes too

Azelor
08-04-2013, 07:05 PM
I'm making the map border and I was wondering if it's a bad idea to put elemets there. I would like to make a legend with all the countries on the map, including those that where too small to fit with their flags. I plan to put them above and under.

Azelor
08-05-2013, 08:23 PM
The map is mostly finished, comments are welcome


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I just need to find an element to pin point the cities.

Azelor
08-10-2013, 09:24 PM
done


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jbgibson
08-13-2013, 12:56 PM
Very nice! The single-language choice you made is fine - even if I didn't read a little French I'd get from context "OK, Kingdom, Kingdom, Empire, got it." The fact that European geography is pretty familiar (to many of us) means all we need for labeling is sort of reminders, or differences from real / known history.

As for elements in the margins - I say you're fine. Any excuse to include flags is a good excuse. On paper, the margin serves a dual purpose of buffering the viewer's scan from running off the edge - a frame if you will - and of permitting a little wear and tear to erode the edges without losing information. I imagine placing lots of material there violates some design / layout precept, but not horribly. If it bothers you, just expand the whole a bit on the top and bottom to restore a strip of white space, maybe even setting the flags in a strip of color? Maybe repeat the border lines above and below the flag strips? That way you would be making them PART of a more definite frame. Your overall style is clean and simple, but a little more complexity around the edges won't outweigh the content. It's not like you would be adding a 14-th century gilded, curlicued, high-relief frame.

- Max -
08-13-2013, 01:59 PM
I agree with Jbgibson : you should add more space in the border, for now the flags looks like a bit stucked in it. Also the way you put the flags and their titles in bottom part isn't very pleasant to read. Having a larger border with the flags inside will allow you to put some titles on two lines instead of one and will avoid bad aesthetic placement. Is the map set in specific historical era?

Azelor
08-13-2013, 02:44 PM
The date is indicated on the outer rims of the clock but I admit it's not really clear. XVIII : 18 XLVI : 46 so it's 1846. It's part of the victorian era and it's in those years that the industrial revolution really started to change the life of people.

There is also the mid rim wich is the time of day and an astronomical clock in the inner rim that is apparently going counter-clockwise. I got my inspiration from the Prage astronomical clock. Anyway, it's more fancy than useful.

I might make the border bigger but that means that I have to put it over some parts of the map. I though about putting some flagson the sides of the map but I suppose it's not a good idea.

- Max -
08-13-2013, 04:59 PM
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I might make the border bigger but that means that I have to put it over some parts of the map. I though about putting some flagson the sides of the map but I suppose it's not a good idea.

?? You can expand the size of the whole file and make the border larger without overlapping the map.

Azelor
08-13-2013, 07:10 PM
I suppose I could also do that, it make the file bigger. We will see how it turn out. So far I increased the border by 40% and the image dimensions by 5%. It should be ok.

Azelor
08-13-2013, 09:01 PM
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