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tonyj
08-03-2013, 11:48 PM
I am new here. I can not PM anyone until I make 5 posts. So I will go ahead with posting what I am looking for. Not sure if I can get it done here; due to it is not a map. It is just warhammer's grass terrain texture along with some sand/dirt for a road on the grass. Here is a link to an image that will give you the color grass I am looking for. I do not want the fort seen in this image. Just the grass and sandy road. That sandy road in the image could be more of a brown color, like the second image link below.

GameMastery Flip-Mat: Bandit Outpost (http://www.thewarstore.com/product67160.html)

There is a person name Johs on here that already has a grass image close to what I am looking for. Here is a link to his work. But I do not want any square lines or any lines at that matter on this image. I like his color sand better than the link above. But I like the grass look better on the link above than this one below. This one below seems fuzzy to me and the sand look is fuzzy looking too. But this image below is almost setup for want I want. Meaning I just want grass texture with some dirt roads. We can talk more about the size and where the roads go, if I can find some one here to do this for me.

http://www.cartographersguild.com/attachments/general-miscellaneous-mapping/56564d1375393102-wip-grass-forest-maps-grass-grassroad.jpg

I was going to pm Johs about this, but I can't. So I went ahead with this post.

Thanks,
Tony
P.S not sure if I can even get a pm, if I can not send one. I will see if I can turn my email on to get a hold of me. Or you could just reply..

Johs
08-06-2013, 05:05 PM
I know you're trying to explain exactly what you want, but I'm not really sure I get it.

You want me to take my grassy map, remove the grid, take the gamemastery link'ed map, somehow extract the 'grass color' and apply it to my map, so you have a map with the right grass and sand color, and save it, and email it to you?

How about I just leave these images here, and you can edit the grass color to your liking :

These images are İArcknight but you can do what you will for private usage.

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Johs
08-06-2013, 05:06 PM
PS, my bandit fort is better than theirs =D

tonyj
08-06-2013, 07:33 PM
Hi Johs,

Thanks for getting back to me. Sorry for the confusion.

What I was trying to say was that I like the grass texture better on that image link I put up. I thought maybe you can make another grass texture like that one. Your grass texture looks fuzzy to me or something. If this is the only grass texture you can do, then I will move on.

Also I was asking for you to put it all together for me, rather than just giving me the grass texture. Here is a BASIC layout of what I want put together with the right grass texture and sand texture. This is a new layout then what I said above. I rather not have a road go from fort to fort. I rather have one road going down the middle seen in the link below.

http://www.healthyweightgain.net/basiclayout.jpg

The black outlines would not be in the image and of course the grass and road would blend in together like your image above, but located in a different place. I would not be able to place the road/sand to blend in with the grass by myself. I would need a designer to do this for me.

If you are up for it, you could go ahead and setup your grass texture and sand with the same layout as that basic image link above to see how it all looks together. I am looking the other grass texture right now do to it looks more sharper than yours.

Thank you,
Tony

Jacktannery
08-07-2013, 05:10 PM
tonyj, it isn't clear what you need the grass texture for - is it just for you or are you going to try and sell it? If its just for your own non-commercial project perhaps you can use some of this map here, which is unfinished. I made this river as part of a larger battlemap commission that fell through but the grass part is pretty ok, though it might be the wrong colour for you. I could probably find the old file with the grass without the river; I recall I had made a dirt path too but I'm not sure where that will be now.

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Johs
08-07-2013, 05:53 PM
Hi Tonyj, the problem here is that what you asking for is actually a lot of work. We spent a few hours making that grass texture, so to simply "remake it" would probably take another 15-30m of fiddling, and when were busy its a task that actually slows down what I'm currently working on.

Azelor
08-07-2013, 06:28 PM
My answer may sound cheap but it's probably what I would do to have something with the least effort.

1- Use a tutorial like this one http://www.cartographersguild.com/tutorials-how/3814-grass-photoshop.html
2- use premade texture like the tileset of rpg maker and minecraft. Some texture pack have a resolution of 256x256 or even more.

tonyj
08-07-2013, 06:44 PM
Jacktannery, Wow!! That looks real nice. Would that grass texture and river look that good after printing it out on a 18 inch X 35 inch sheet to play on? Yeah, I would rather have a dirt road than a river. Only thing about that grass is those white floors. Looks good, but I rather not have them. Are those floors just setup by the river? Meaning the rest of the grass will not have it?

Jacktannery, my answer is yes and no to your question "is it just for you or are you going to try and sell it?". At first it is just for me to play a new game idea I am putting together. But I will be putting my game idea on a website, youtube and facebook in hopes people will support it to add value to it. Then maybe this will catch a toy company to work with me to sell this game idea in stores. So in other words, it will be used as a prototype. But it does not mean they will use the image. They might come up with whole different board setup. If they did use it, I would get back to you or who ever help me with it to give you some kind of money for it. In other words, I am up for paying people something for helping me out if this game takes off.

Johs, your printed out grass texture sheet image link below is turning me off on your grass texture. But your grass texture image link above looks a lot better without the square lines over it. Do you think your grass texture and dirt road would look less fuzzy on a 18 inch X 35 inch sheet if we did not have those square lines over it? If so, then maybe your grass texture and dirt road would work.

http://www.cartographersguild.com/attachments/general-miscellaneous-mapping/56564d1375393102-wip-grass-forest-maps-grass-grassroad.jpg

Now you said this would be a lot of work for changing the grass texture. I fully understand that. What if we use your grass texture and have you place the road 2 inches wide going down the middle of the 18 inch X 35 Inch grass texture image. Then put 4 inches of the same dirt texture at the two far ends of this grass texture image. Would this be a lot of work too? If not, then could you do this for me? I can paypal you some thing for doing it for me. I just said above what I am using it for. I hope you would be ok with that. Here is that BASIC layout image link again of what I want done.

http://www.healthyweightgain.net/basiclayout.jpg

Azelor, I just read your reply. Yes, that is another idea I can look in to. Thanks for the suggestion.

Tony

Jacktannery
08-08-2013, 02:18 AM
tonyj, since you need it for a commercial project I would not want you to use my image posted above - its unfinished anyway so would look awful printed out.

Since your map is only for a prototype I strongly recommend you follow Azelor's advice above - no point shelling out money at this stage of your project if you don't have to. However, if you are a bit odd and prefer to pay then I am sure johs or myself would agree to make your map exactly how you want it. If you want to commission (pay) me to make your map for you please email me at 'my username'-at-yahoo-dot-ie and we'll discuss it. Note that there is an entire sub-forum for requesting map commissions on cartographer's guild here Mapmaking Requests (http://www.cartographersguild.com/mapmaking-requests/)

tonyj
08-08-2013, 07:21 PM
Jacktannery, I am all about "First Impression". I do not have a lot of funds. But I hope to have enough founds to put this together like I want.

Johs, I feel your grass texture looks a lot better without those squares on it. Also your road looks good too without those squares on it. Before I move on, I would like to know if Johs has time to put his grass texture and road texture laid out like this basic layout image link below for me? If not, then I guess I have to move on.

http://www.healthyweightgain.net/basiclayout.jpg

If I am going to move on, then here are some new links I found to give people an idea what we can do to put this together.

Here is a better link of the grass texture I am looking for. But I would not want the square lines over it.

http://paizo.com/image/content/GameMastery/PZOSQW30031-BACK.jpg

If I can not find some one to put together the same grass texture in the link above, then here is another link to a photo website where I can buy the grass texture image. This grass texture link below is a little lighter than what I want, but maybe the designer can darken it with their program. Then all I would need is for a designer to place a dirt road and two dirt areas on this grass texture image. The layout would be setup like the basic layout image link above without the black boarder lines and would all be blended in together.

Grass Texture Stock Photos, Grass Texture Stock Photography, Grass Texture Stock Images : Shutterstock.com (http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?lang=en&search_source=search_form&search_tracking_id=WrODjyUL8A5_Tzwym5Nn-w&version=llv1&anyorall=all&safesearch=1&searchterm=grass+texture&search_group=&orient=&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&commercial_ok=&color=&show_color_wheel=1#id=124597033&src=sp6R3fe0y5N4U3Ajz5458A-1-22)

I guess it cost $29.00 for two images on that website. The other image I could buy is the dirt/sand image for the road and dirt area. If so, I was thinking this sand image below.

Sand Texture Stock Photos, Sand Texture Stock Photography, Sand Texture Stock Images : Shutterstock.com (http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?lang=en&search_source=search_form&search_tracking_id=4iO4spOyQcXUMKQu5yXM9g&version=llv1&anyorall=all&safesearch=1&searchterm=sand+texture&search_group=&orient=&search_cat=&searchtermx=&photographer_name=&people_gender=&people_age=&people_ethnicity=&people_number=&commercial_ok=&color=&show_color_wheel=1#id=81041221&src=j1kzuKpwQurb1afWio3SvA-1-28)

Again, maybe this might be to bright too. But I am sure we could darken it a little with the program a designer uses.

Thanks,
Tony
P.S Could an admin here move this topic to the Mapmaking Requests section. Thx

Azelor
08-08-2013, 07:39 PM
A commercial project , ok then forget my idea. It's okay if it's just for fun but I did not see that part.

Korash
08-09-2013, 01:02 AM
I moved it for you as you requested tonyj. I forgot the redirect though....it be late...way late

Jacktannery
08-09-2013, 02:44 AM
tonyj you can probably get a better grass texture for free on this website: [CG Textures] - Textures for 3D, graphic design and Photoshop! (http://cgtextures.com) Just register for a free account that gives you 15mb free downloads of the smaller images, and you can pay for larger ones if you want. They have lots of good grass and sand. If you find a grass or sand you like but want the colour altered slightly I'd be happy to change the shade/hue/value/colour for you - it only takes a second.

tonyj
08-09-2013, 06:57 AM
Jacktannery, thank you for this link. It has a lot of grass textures to look over. I just got off of work. I am going to bed. I will look over that link when I wake up. But I am still waiting to hear back from Johs. He has yet login on this forum. I would like to hear what he has to say about what I said in my replies above.

Thanks,
Tony

tonyj
08-09-2013, 05:22 PM
Jacktannery, I am looking at all the grass textures on that website link you gave me. I found a couple that might work so far. Still looking. When I find the grass texture and sand texture I like, I will then get back to you with a pm to talk about it.

Johs, I am still up on hearing back from you on what you have to say about what I said above in another reply. While I am waiting on you, I am looking at what Jack is sharing with me in case there is nothing else you can do for me.

Tony

tonyj
08-09-2013, 06:09 PM
Jack and Johs, I sent you both a pm, but it does not show up under my sent items. Can you guys let me know if you got my pm or not?

Thanks,
Tony

Jacktannery
08-09-2013, 07:28 PM
I got your PM and replied that I can help you but I won't be doing it as a normal commission because the project is not really the sort of thing I am interested in: I have however agreed to assist you in combining a sand and grass texture that you will acquire yourself.

Jacktannery
08-11-2013, 06:25 AM
tonyj, you say you tried to send me some textures but you are obviously having some trouble. I've thrown together your basic layout using some generic textures. There's no point using high quality textures here because the maximum image size that can be uploaded on CG is c. 4.3mb. The image prints to 35x18 inches as you required and the central path is slightly off-centre as per your brief (?). The grass texture is pretty awful, but hopefully should be sufficient for your requirements. If this is what you wanted you might consider giving a small donation to Cartographer's Guild.

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tonyj
08-11-2013, 02:46 PM
Jack, the sand texture will work. But the grass texture is not all that like you said. Now is it bad looking because you can not upload the high graphics on this forum? So if you email me the full high graphic image, will the grass texture blend together better? If so, this will work. If not, then we need to work on the grass texture. Yes, I can send a donation to this website when we are done.

Thanks,
Tony

Jacktannery
08-11-2013, 03:17 PM
But the grass texture is not all that like you said. Now is it bad looking... ...we need to work on the grass texture. ...

Just to be clear - I did not promise you a great grass texture. In fact, I told you I would put your simple map together if you sent me a grass texture. If you send me a grass texture either on this site, or via a link, or by email at 'my username at yahoo dot ie' I can replace the grass texture above with your one. I've explained this to you before in a PM, and if you read my post number 17 above I clearly indicated the impetus was on YOU to supply the textures.

tonyj
08-11-2013, 03:21 PM
Jack, looking at that grass texture a little more I can see where the grass textures are coming together to make the grass texture bigger. We need to find a grass texture that blends together better when we put them together.

I would like to have the road centered too. That plays a part in my board game.

Thank you,
Tony

tonyj
08-11-2013, 03:27 PM
Just read your last reply. Yep, you are right. I did send you a grass texture in pm, but it did not get to you. I did not get around sending to you again; due to I was out all day yesterday and I just got up. I have some crazy hours. I was just about to send it to you again, until I saw what you put up in this topic. Now I am just trying to work with you on what you put up.

Yeah, I can get the grass texture for you. Give me a sec and I will send that one had to you again. Sorry about that. :)

Wife is calling me right now. Need to talk to her first. :)

Again, thank you for all that you are doing for me. Most of the time I am right on things. I like how you are right on things. You are fast and I like that. Never thought someone was faster than me. Man, I am slacking this time. Talk to you soon. Going to se what the wife wants.

Tony

tonyj
08-11-2013, 04:46 PM
I took the grass image I had and put them together to see if it would blend together. It did not. So I will not be sending you this one. I am going to have to search some more online to find a grass texture that will blend together when you put them together to make a bigger grass image.

The other option is for me to pay for a high quality grass image that is bigger, so that we do not have to put it together to make it bigger.

I have to be at work in 4 hours. So I am not going to be able to find something by then. For now if you like, you can see if you can crop this grass image below to work together. I found this grass texture on my computer. I like the color of it and I think it would work with sand texture we already have. But it just has to blend together. Right now I can see that it will not; due to it has a lighter green grass color on the right side of it. You would have to crop that out and see what happens.

For now, I will keep looking. I just thought while I am looking, you could play around with the grass image below. I understand that time would play a factor here. So if that is problem, then do not worry about playing around with the grass image below.

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Jacktannery
08-11-2013, 05:12 PM
Ok.

Here is your grass texture stretched across the map - not good.

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Here it is tiled and using some some easy tricks to reduce tiling: (i) offset and 50% opacity (ii) offset and plasma-masked. Results are not perfect but perhaps this is what you wanted?

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tonyj
08-11-2013, 05:33 PM
Stretching it is a bad idea. I know that will mess up the grass texture. That is why I said to try to put that grass texture together to make it bigger, rather than stretching it.

No, this will not work. Yes, I know I am not going to get this to look real good for free. But I do not want to go this way either. But your time you are taking to do this for me, means a lot!

I need to mow the grass before I go to work. Funny, I brought up grass again. :) Any way, I might just go ahead with buying a high res grass texture to get this to look right. I just thought it would not hurt to try something with that grass texture. The color of it match good with that sand texture.

Thanks,
Tony

Jacktannery
08-11-2013, 05:39 PM
No problem and good luck - it will not be easy to get a grass texture that looks good over such a large empty area for free! The few times I have created grass expanses of that size for clients, it was a LOT of work. If you have the choice, I would advise you to break it up with other vegetation and less linear paths so disguise the repeated texture seams.

Gamerprinter
08-11-2013, 06:48 PM
Here, grass texture and free, not the best, but better than most.

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Jacktannery
08-12-2013, 01:54 AM
Big improvement - thanks Gameprinter.

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tonyj
08-12-2013, 03:26 PM
Gamerprinter, thank you for taking your time to help us out. Yes, your grass texture blends together very well to make it look clean. But there will be miniature figures on this image after it is printed out as a game mat. What I am concern about is that your real looking grass texture might look to long when a miniature figure is over it. In other words, real looking grass textures might not work with model miniatures.

Here is a example image I gave on this topic to show what I am looking for. If you go look at model grass terrain, you will see that it does not look like real grass. I am trying to put together a printed out image of the made up model grass terrain. The person who did the image below, did what I would like to do. But it does not have the layout and size I want along with I do not want those square lines over it.

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I am sorry if I seem to be to picky. I think the main problem here is me. I should have explained what I wanted better from the start. Meaning that I should have said what I just said about wanting model grass texture as an image to print out. My bad on that.

I am thinking about going to a local hobby store that plays warhammer and take a real close picture of their grass terrain with my camera. Then maybe we or just me now can use that. I hope I will still get support on this. If not, I will understand.

Gamerprinter, again thanks for your help. Your grass texture work together and was clean. But I hope you can understand the concern I have with it.

Jack, thank you for putting his grass texture on this image we are trying to put together. I know you like it, but I also hope you understand my concern about it.

Thank you guys for what you are doing for me.

Tony

Jacktannery
08-12-2013, 04:26 PM
Have a look at these tony:

synthetic grass texture pack | OpenGameArt.org (http://opengameart.org/content/synthetic-grass-texture-pack) [note that you would need to make your game open source - ie release source code - if you end up with one of these]

Textures - 6 Packs Artificial Grass Texture | GraphicRiver (http://graphicriver.net/item/6-packs-artificial-grass-texture/2101781) [$2 but I think this one is also non-commercial?]

Is this the sort of texture you are looking for? I'm sure you will be able to find a commercial seamless version of one of these for $5-ish or less online if you spend a bit of time. I think it is a mistake for you to try and create a seamless texture from a home photograph unless you know exactly what you are doing, because it is a fair amount of work.

tonyj
08-12-2013, 05:34 PM
Jack, I like what I am seeing in that first link. I do not mind spending only $5.00 or so for me to use it. I can even spend more if I have too.

I guess it all comes down on how it will look after it is printed out on a sheet. Meaning that I would not want that real close up look of the grass seen in the second link picture. The second link grass texture that is not in that real close up circle, is fine. But in the circle it is not fine.

I will look at downloading one of those grass textures in that first link.

I hope this is not pushing it. But I do have a concern about the placement of the middle road. It needs to go a little to the right. There is a bigger grass section on the right then the left. I need this centered for how my game is played.

Jack, thanks again.

Tony

tonyj
08-12-2013, 08:32 PM
Jack, this grass texture image link below might work; due to the size of it. It is 22 inches high X 19 inches wide. You could use two of these in this image to make it work. One on the left side of the road and the other on the right side. Then just crop them to the right size to fit. It is already high enough at 22 inches. I just need 18 inches high.

http://healthyweightgain.net/grass2.jpg

I just look at the resolution. It is only 72 res. This might be a problem when it gets printed out. What do you think?

Tony

Jacktannery
08-13-2013, 01:42 AM
Tony, that grass texture looks great. I scaled it to 100ppi and tiled it across the map and its super - though I don't think it looks like game-map grass. The colour of it works for you? I also fixed up your map to centre the path.

Where did you get your grass texture? Can you post me a link so I can check it can be used for commercial work before I post up your map - I don't want to provide you with a map that might get you sued down the road.

tonyj
08-13-2013, 07:10 AM
Jack, I just sent you an email about this. Let me know if you got it or not.

By the way, I feel what I am doing with it will be ok. I am not going to sell it. I just plan to play on it and share me playing on it on youtube and a website. Not sure how far it will go. We will see.

Tony

Jacktannery
08-13-2013, 12:55 PM
Right so - here it is then. I think that grass looks really great by the way: great job on finding it. Your central path is also centred.

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tonyj
08-13-2013, 02:43 PM
Wow! This turn out real nice with that grass texture. This will work. Jack, Thank You so much for putting this together for me. You did not even charge me for this, wow! For the viewers out there, get a hold of this guy for any art work you need done. Look at the time he took on putting this together for free. Now just think what he could do for you when you pay him.

The only thing Jack ask me to do for doing this for me, was to donate something to this website. I am going to go do that now.

You Da Man, Jack!

Big THANK YOU!

Tony

Jacktannery
08-13-2013, 04:27 PM
Its a pleasure Tony - glad to help.

Gamerprinter
08-13-2013, 04:46 PM
Gamerprinter, again thanks for your help. Your grass texture work together and was clean. But I hope you can understand the concern I have with it.

If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work, though I use that same texture similar to how you are using it for commercial maps. I think it's fine, but for your project, you'd know best!

tonyj
08-13-2013, 05:19 PM
Gamerprinter, I am sure it work for other people like you said. I never said it look bad. In our case here, it just came down to what that person (me) is looking for in the kind of grass texture. Here is a link to an image that will give you a good picture on the kind of grass texture I was picturing in my head to use along with that image I posted on here. The link below I found later. I guess I should have posted this up sooner.

Various0756 (http://cgtextures.com/texview.php?id=69296&PHPSESSID=gs04kl7gf1dqs44ul6i5saija1)

Now how do you think your grass texture would look if we replaced the grass texture in that image above with yours? That is all I was trying to say, when I said I need a model grass texture look.

Again, thank you for pitching in. It did not hurt me to see another setup for this. The more options, the better. Thank you.

Tony

Jacktannery
08-14-2013, 01:46 AM
Tonyj, as per PM email here is modified version with thinner paths to edges. Note that the reason the grass texture looks so great in the image you posted above is NOT the actual grass texture, but rather the lighting, shading and other careful detail resulting from the fact that this looks like an aerial photograph.

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tonyj
08-14-2013, 07:39 AM
Jack, I am going to say it again "THANK YOU". I think this will be the last time. :) We are all good.

I had one more simple tweak to it that I did on my own. That was taking out those white spots you see here and there on the grass texture. I was able to fix it with my Photoshop CS2 program. Work out great.

Just to let you know, I just sent this image to my local print shop to have it printed out. When they are done printing it out on a sheet for me, I will then take a picture of that sheet to show you how it came out. I might even put my forts and trees on it to show the whole look. Stay tuned.

Thank you,
Tony

Jacktannery
08-14-2013, 08:25 AM
Tony, yes upload a picture of the final map for us to see - that would be super!

tonyj
08-14-2013, 01:44 PM
I just look at how many pages we have on this topic. We have 5 pages with 41 replies, well now 42 replies. :) But in this reply it shows #43. Still a lot of replies. This topic really stands out from the other topics in this mapmaking request section.

Hmm. what other things can we talk about? Nah, just kidding. Any way, next will be me posting a picture of the final product. Stay tuned.

Tony

RobA
08-14-2013, 04:07 PM
I just look at how many pages we have on this topic. We have 5 pages with 41 replies, well now 42 replies. :) But in this reply it shows #43. Still a lot of replies. This topic really stands out from the other topics in this mapmaking request section.
Tony

That's because most requests are taken off line or into a WIP forum post rather than staying here.

-Rob A>

tonyj
08-14-2013, 05:12 PM
Rob, thanks for leaving it here for now. I like to talk, as you can see. :)

Also as you can see, this forum hook me up with a person that help me out big time with my project. I saved big time (free) on the design work from Jack. But just got the cost to have it printed out. A little higher than I thought it would be. But it has to be done.

Tony

tonyj
09-06-2013, 04:19 PM
Sorry it took so long to post a picture of the finish grass game mat. I ended up going to another print shop and it took for ever to come in the mail. Just got it the other day. Here is a link to the game mat picture. Note that it is not sticking to anything yet. That is why part of the grass mat is sticking up making it look like there is a little hill there.

http://healthyweightgain.net/gamemat.JPG

Over all, I like it.

Jack, Thanks again for your help on this.

Tony

Jacktannery
09-06-2013, 06:49 PM
Wow! it looks unexpectedly great printed out and lit up like that! Great job tonyj and glad I could assist in a small way.