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Midgardsormr
08-20-2013, 06:22 PM
At long last, Wacom has figured out that artists would like to take their drawing tablets on the road.
Two models, one running Windows 8 and one running Android have been announced. Looks like they'll be running $1500 - $2500 depending on OS, RAM and SSD capacity.

Wacom Cintiq Companion Hybrid - Tablets - CNET Reviews (http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/wacom-cintiq-companion-hybrid/4505-3126_7-35826676.html)

Diamond
08-20-2013, 11:19 PM
Ugh. Why does it have to run Windows h8?

Azelor
08-20-2013, 11:57 PM
That is really cool but the price is pretty high for an amateur like me. Are there any models similar to this (with a screen) that are cheeper?

waldronate
08-21-2013, 01:03 AM
The useful part of this system is the Wacom digitizer with its pressure and tilt sensitivity. The rest looks to be a pretty generic tablet (3rd Gen Core i5? ick). The regular Cintiq (monitor with embedded digitizer) is also pretty pricey and needs a host computer to run. The basic Wacom tablets aren't too bad, but there's no on-tablet display feedback.

I've read that Microsoft's Surface Pro uses generally the same sort of digitizer, but it's pretty pricey, too. I'm not sure that there is an affordable unit out there right now with pressure-sensitive input. Then again, MS just wrote down $900M on the first-gen Surface RT and Surface Pro units, so there might be places with them cheaper than might be expected.

The article also says that the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 has a pressure sensitive digitizer and it sells for less than $400. It's an Android device, though, which may limit its application for certain folks. I'm sure there's a whole host of Android units out there, but I admit that I didn't look too hard. My eyesight is too old to work with much less than a 10" screen, so I tend not to consider the smaller devices.

Midgardsormr
08-21-2013, 08:06 PM
Unfortunately, Wacom's the only name in the game right now in terms of performance and reliability, and that lets them keep their prices high. If some legitimate competition ever enters the arena, I expect prices will drop. Plus, this is the very first product of this kind from Wacom, so those prices reflect the early adopters' tax. I doubt they'll be in the hobbyist's price bracket any time soon, but it wouldn't surprise me to see them go down to $1000 or less on the low end within three years or so. Still steep, but within the grasp of a working artist. And I know a lot of us in SoCal and the UK have long commutes on public transportation that could allow a device like this to pay for itself in short order.

As for the Windows issue, Microsoft isn't going to license a new device with 7 at this point, Apple won't license their OS at all, and Linux doesn't appeal to a large enough market share. So it's 8 or nothing for now. I'm sure the jailbreakers will immediately break it open and install TinyXP.

Larb
08-21-2013, 09:12 PM
The price is pretty high and I'm not the biggest fan of windows 8 (I prefer 7) although at least windows 8 is on something more appropriate here (a mobile device =P).

But if I had the money I would so buy it, I really would.

Jaxilon
08-22-2013, 11:48 AM
I would like something like this. For instance, at the moment I'm laying flat on my back because I hurt myself and it's taking FOREVER to heal. I wish I could sit up at my desk and do some mapping right now but it's out of the question unless I want to spend the evening with back spasms. By the way, tried that, don't like it.

So instead I lay here depressed and fiddle around with my laptop because it's about all I can do right now. Moral of the story, if you are ever doing something and your back starts to lock up...don't just push to play through. Well, maybe if you are a young person it will work. Evidently at my age it's not a good idea :(

Midgardsormr
08-22-2013, 02:37 PM
No, even if you're young it's not a good idea. I was flattened by a back spasm in my early 20's. Worst pain I've ever experienced. I still get paranoid about back pain after that experience.

I haven't tried Windows 8 yet. What are the common complaints about it at the moment? About the only thing I know about it is that it will cause office workers to spontaneously breakdance.

languard
08-22-2013, 02:43 PM
What are the common complaints about it at the moment? About the only thing I know about it is that it will cause office workers to spontaneously breakdance.

I only have complaints against Windows 8 in the desktop environment. The Meto interface is horribad for a desktop (thought it is easily gotten rid of) and the security lock down makes some tasks a major pain. Oh and it really likes messing with drawing tablets because even in desktop mode it has the assumption that touches are coming from a screen. Tablet wise it's not bad. Not great, but not bad.

Dat price tag though....ouch.

justMANGO
08-22-2013, 03:19 PM
What are the common complaints about it at the moment?

Probably the fact that the interface is a bit of a Harvey Dent/Two-Face. The two interfaces are not smoothly integrated into each other and it's very awkward trying to switch from desktop programs to metro apps and vice versa. I wouldn't mind having a metro tablet that runs purely metro, but when that interface starts invading into the familiar old desktop, things get very annoying very quickly.

RobA
08-23-2013, 02:00 PM
The article also says that the Samsung Galaxy Note 8 has a pressure sensitive digitizer and it sells for less than $400. It's an Android device, though, which may limit its application for certain folks. I'm sure there's a whole host of Android units out there, but I admit that I didn't look too hard. My eyesight is too old to work with much less than a 10" screen, so I tend not to consider the smaller devices.

I bought one of those for my better half. She hates typing on virtual keyboards so the stylus works brilliantly for here. I've played with the built in drawing applications and the pressure sensitivity works very well.

I have seen demos using purchased apps - the best/most popular seems to be Sketchbook Pro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOXo5RML-cE

-Rob A>

Clercon
08-23-2013, 06:22 PM
Looks really interesting, but the price is rather high. The android version wouldn't be too interesting due to no full photoshop so it has to be one of the windows versions. If I had the money I definitely would buy one. Unfortunately that won't happen, but I'm still pleased with my cintiq 13hd.

Jaxilon
08-23-2013, 08:12 PM
Regarding Windows 8:

I agree with jMango, the interface works pretty well on my wife's Samsung tablet but it's a pain in the tush on my Laptop. I installed the little app that makes it act like windows 7 but it just drives me batty when my mouse comes near the edges and those stupid pop-out menu deals slide out. I NEVER FREAKING WANT THAT!!!

I think the real breakdown comes because my screen is not touch. So, bottom line, if you are using it on a touch device I don't think it'll bug you that much.

Midgardsormr
08-24-2013, 01:47 PM
The Android version does have the advantage that you can plug it into another computer, and it will act like a regular Cintiq. But yes, the lack of production software would limit its use for me, too.

Jax: I hate that "feature" too! It's among the first things I turn off when I sit down at a new workstation. Pretty much all of the "smart" controls go away, and I turn off the resource hogging themes. By the time I'm ready to work, a Windows 7 or Vista box looks an awful lot like Windows 2k. I turn off Spaces and Expose on a Mac, too. My wife insists that they're a huge productivity booster, but I just don't see it. If I send my pointer to the corner its because I want it out of the way, not because I want some kind of box popping up and covering my work! Or maybe because it's been naughty and needs a "time out."