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Midgardsormr
09-02-2013, 12:34 PM
Has anyone else noticed that the use of the Rep button has declined since the Like button was introduced? Is that a feature or a bug?

We've currently got three different mechanisms for showing approval: Likes, Rep, and Ratings, and I think that they're causing fragmentation in the feedback. But maybe that's by design.

waldronate
09-02-2013, 01:16 PM
It might be due to the relatively familiar (for Facebook users) "Like" and "Share" text at the bottom right of each posting, but the rep feature is an unfamiliar icon down on the row with the replay things, and the thread rating is nowhere near the posting at all. Users have this nasty habit of doing what's familiar and I think that Facebook has infected and damaged too many minds...

Larb
09-02-2013, 01:26 PM
In my case I don't use facebook so I don't really use the like feature. I'm much more used to the rep function. I suppose the like feature is sorta useful if you like what someone has posted by don't really have much else to say, or don't have the time to do anything but give the forums a quick browse.

Azelor
09-02-2013, 01:35 PM
I admit that it's confusing. The way I see it, repping someone is when you think he did something amazig and liking a post means that you agree and like what he did. Rep is for important things and like is for more mundane things, to show approval for example.

Rating is probably what I'm goign to do here because it's a good question.

feanaaro
09-02-2013, 02:15 PM
Rating and likes could perhaps be unified. Rep should be kept separate in my opinion. Plus, in my, though limited, experience, getting repped is much easier than getting posts liked, so maybe not everyone is liking more than they are repping.

Korash
09-02-2013, 03:29 PM
In my opinion, Rep represents ones ability to contribute to the community through your posting of quality maps, links to mapping sites and posts of an informative/constructive nature. Something that makes me say "Wow" for some reason or another.

Likes for me are for posts that say or illustrate something that I agree with. Be it map, post or link. It has happened that I have done both for the same post if it met both criteria.

Rating threads is a statement of how useful I have found the info in that thread, and how much I would recommend that people read it. I must confess that I have not been rating nearly as many threads as I should, but I know I keep on forgetting that that option is available because it is kinda hidden.

I think that all three are relevant,and separate, but that they should all be placed in the same area so people are more aware of the options.

Ilanthar
09-03-2013, 12:31 PM
I'm really feeling like a noob... Not accustomed to this kind of systems (and allergic to facebook), I just used the likes because it was the easier to find...

So now, I've looked for and found the rep button and think that I'm gonna use it consequently !

Jaxilon
09-06-2013, 01:40 AM
I'm with Korash in thinking about this. Although, I'll have to admit there have been times when I hit "Like" because it was quicker than Rep. Maybe Rep should be a single click event. Typing something into the text field also means I have to think of and have a reason to rep. Like, well, I can like anything and I don't have to even say why :)

I'm also, hate to admit it, kind of adverse to faceplant. ;)

vorropohaiah
09-06-2013, 02:05 AM
you can leave the text field when Repping empty

Korash
09-06-2013, 09:05 AM
I like the comment area of the rep because it lets the person know WHY I am giving rep, and if it makes me say "Wow" I find it easy(ish) to say why. My "Liking" something means that I like what was said/shown or that I agree with the statement so as not to repeat it in my own post.

And Faceplant (nice term Jax) did not invent liking something....although they might have "popularized" it.....so that shouldn't stop people from actually liking what they see or read....

RobA
09-06-2013, 01:36 PM
"Rep" is the original vbulletin mechanism for peer recognition. You get rep automatically as your post counts increase, and you get rep when other users rep you. The more rep you have, the more rep you give when repping. Rep is intended to reflect a user's standing with the community. The only way to rep someone is by clicking the rep icon associated with a post. All users are limited in the amount of times they can rep in a day. Rep is private, in that only the recipient of rep sees individual reps and the comments. You can also give negative rep ("I disapprove").

"Likes" came with the vbSEO add-on. You can like as many posts as you want. Likes DO NOT contribute to a user's reputation, and all likes are equal (i.e. there is no difference between a like from a newb and a like from the board admin). The nice features of likes are the rollup at the top of the thread (you can see the total of the liked posts in a thread as well as what posts were liked how many times). You can also see everyone who has liked a post - so it is more "social". There is no connection with facebook Likes other than the label (which we could change). As it was added later, old posts will not have any likes. There have been requests of vbSEO to have likes linked with rep (i.e. x likes gives a rep point) but this has not been done.

The last thing is thread ratings. Threads can be rated as 1-5 compasses, and is intended to be a reflection of the quality of content of a thread (mainly used for tutorials and finished map posts). We use rating to determine what tutorials are deserving of an award.


SO they all overlap a bit, but have different functions.

In general:

- If you read a post and think "uh-huh, I agree" or "you said it, brother", a like is probably in order, rather than cluttering up the forum with a "hear, hear!" or a 57503.
- If you read a post and think "That is great - this is high quality stuff and I want to acknowledge it as increasing the quality of the site" then give some rep (and post a response if you want to make it public recognition).
- If you read a thread and think "This is quality content" then rate the thread.

And nothing says you can't do more than one!

-Rob A>

Arcana
09-15-2013, 08:05 PM
I just found a new setting that links the likes with rep...so now liking something will also give rep. There's nothing I can do to apply rep to existing likes (I don't think), but from now on it should work. Feel free to test it and let me know.

Also, I've turned off like notifications. That might save us some overhead, and prevent you from having LOTS of notifications. If there's an olverwhelming desire to turn them back on I'll do so.

Arcana
09-15-2013, 09:14 PM
Also, you can easily view likes on your profile page.

Ramah
09-18-2013, 05:28 AM
Ok, just read all this. Predictably late to the party. So, if "Like" now also gives rep does it still fall under the "Have to give 10 other reps before you can rep this user again" rule? If so, which it probably should, will it just not add the rep? Or will it not add the like?
In the end rep means nothing but epeen but still, hitting a member with 20 rep simply for liking a funny comment about stuffed crust pizzas or something seems wrong. Will people who have read this topic stop pressing Like as much? Will savvy commenters start shooting up in rep?

Hehe. Just playing devil's advocate here but I think it would be interesting to know.

Edit: Oh, another question.... I just wanted to give Viking some rep for his CC award but I see that now the ability to give rep has been removed? Seems like it as I cannot see the rep star now in the sidebar on new posts. If that is the case then now the only way to give rep is to hit the Like button? That is fair enough but I see that 6 people have "Liked" the post by Arsheesh naming it the CC map. Which is fine - it is a good choice and deserves to be liked. But won't that now give rep to Arsheesh? Will people hit Like on that post maybe thinking it will go to Viking?

The main thing I liked about giving and receiving rep was the short notes you can give when you pressed the button.

I personally do not think linking Like and Rep is such a good idea.

- Max -
09-18-2013, 05:50 AM
Edit: Oh, another question.... I just wanted to give Viking some rep for his CC award but I see that now the ability to give rep has been removed? Seems like it as I cannot see the rep star now in the sidebar on new posts. If that is the case then now the only way to give rep is to hit the Like button? That is fair enough but I see that 6 people have "Liked" the post by Arsheesh naming it the CC map. Which is fine - it is a good choice and deserves to be liked. But won't that now give rep to Arsheesh? Will people hit Like on that post maybe thinking it will go to Viking?


You can't spread rep on CC award thread, you have to go on finished map thread or elsewhere to rep someone ;)

also I don't think the likes gives rep works atm.

Arcana
09-18-2013, 08:20 AM
Meh, I just set it back the way it was then. That's no good. Also I'm leaving notifications off...please test and let me know that reputation giving is restored and liking is now separate.

Ramah
09-18-2013, 09:20 AM
You can't spread rep on CC award thread, you have to go on finished map thread or elsewhere to rep someone ;)

also I don't think the likes gives rep works atm.

Well, you can. Or at least you could. You just had to rep a post made by the creator of the map in that thread. Viking replied in the CC thread and I was going to rep him there but there was no icon. But that wasn't the point, the point was that people were liking the post of that map and the poster was getting rep which seemed odd.

Anyway, as Arcana has returned it to normal and I can now see an icon at the bottom of your sidebar once again then all is good in the world.