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CryHavoc2006
07-21-2008, 10:50 AM
Hey Everybody!

I wanted to draw a map in the style of the Tolkien maps from the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. Is there a specific program that has this style with it's symbol set? Does anyone know of anything similar?

Thanks!

CH

Arcana
07-21-2008, 10:57 AM
Well if you REALLY want an artistic style map with minimal skill...go for something like CC3...it has some easy to use features once you get past the learning curve of navigating the program.

If you want to go more artsy and you actually have some art skill (not required) and you absolutely want to pay for something...go with Adobe Photoshop.

If you want to go more artsy and you actually have some art skill (not required) and you absolutely DON'T want to pay for something...go with the GIMP...

We have tutorials, expert advice, and lots of information on all of the above and more ;)

jfrazierjr
07-21-2008, 11:30 AM
Well if you REALLY want an artistic style map with minimal skill...go for something like CC3...it has some easy to use features once you get past the learning curve of navigating the program.

If you want to go more artsy and you actually have some art skill (not required) and you absolutely want to pay for something...go with Adobe Photoshop.

If you want to go more artsy and you actually have some art skill (not required) and you absolutely DON'T want to pay for something...go with the GIMP...

We have tutorials, expert advice, and lots of information on all of the above and more ;)

I would also add Fractal Mapper as a nice entry level mapping program IF you don't want to start from scratch with PS or GIMP. FM has many of the features of Campaign Cartographer but the trade off is a lower learning curve for FM vs CC3's large number of symbols and hugh community. Also note, you can create nice looking maps very quickly and with little artistic talent than with Photoshop or GIMP.

Even if you decide to go with something like CC3 or FM8 which has included symbols, I would still recommend learning some basic techniques in GIMP or Photoshop. There are just some things that are easier (once you learn the program) to do than in the CC3/FM8 programs. Personally, I have a few maps I created in FM8 when I first got into mapping around 2 years ago, but plan to recreate them in GIMP for an added extra "umph"

Joe

CryHavoc2006
07-21-2008, 05:11 PM
Thanks!

I've been thinking about getting CC3 for a bit now. Just needed something with the symbols already created. Something with drag and drop symbols I can make quick maps with. The operational side of it looks a lot like AutoCAD. I think I remember seeing a map with that Tolkien-ish style at one of the GenCons.

Midgardsormr
07-21-2008, 10:46 PM
CC3 can produce a Tolkien-style fairly readily, but you'll need some different symbols than what come with it. If you like the style of the MERP maps of Pete Fenlon, there is an issue of the ProFantasy Annual (an additional cost beyond the base cost of CC3, but well-worth it) that emulates that style. Fenlon's style is strongly influenced by Prof. Tolkien's, but is more refined and in color.

I do recommend using CC3 in tandem with another program, like Gimp or Inkscape, since CC3 doesn't antialias very well, so some elements, especially fonts, don't look as good as they might. Simply exporting at a huge resolution, then using the Gimp to resize down to your target resolution can mitigate that, though.

RobA
07-22-2008, 12:21 PM
There is also a fair bit of classical cartographic clip-art, brushes and symbols at DeviantART (http://www.deviantart.com/) that an be used in a variety of programs.

-Rob A>

dittotb
07-23-2008, 08:00 PM
CC3 also has an extra subscription service that they the Cartographer's annual. This past January's issue (Jan 08) was a style pack matching the efforts of Peter Fenlon who did all that great cartography for ICE years ago. Check in out at
http://sub.profantasy.com/2008/january08.html
and
http://sub.profantasy.com/2008/gallery.html

landorl
07-25-2008, 02:48 PM
I like CC3 a lot. It is easy to come up with a quick and decent looking basic map, and with a little bit of work, you can start to get into some very good looking more advanced maps. The only bad thing is that if you are not careful, your maps can quickly end up looking the same.

peanut
12-28-2012, 02:20 AM
Thanks for the post. I am looking into CC3 for developing Tolkien style maps to combine with Tolkien font downloads.

bartmoss
12-28-2012, 04:14 AM
Did they massively overhaul campaign cartographer? I tried it some years ago, and I found the usability... lacking (to the point where I would say it was so unintuitive as to be basically unusable). I am not sure what version that was, though... I am thinking cc2.

Midgardsormr
12-31-2012, 02:58 AM
Wow; old thread.

CC3's interface is essentially the same as CC2's, but they've added quite a few features. It can be a bit counterintuitive to learn, especially if you've previously been exposed to a paint program like Photoshop or Gimp. CAD users, on the other hand, will pick it up fairly quickly, since it is built on a CAD engine. It's definitely more difficult to learn than Photoshop, but a great deal easier than something like Blender.

And since this is such an old thread, I should amend my earlier post: ProFantasy has added antialiasing to CC3. I haven't used it since that was added, but the maps produced by other CC3 users have been looking significantly better recently now that the "jaggies" are gone.