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mvojnovic
02-02-2014, 06:08 AM
Hello,
Every time i try to do a historical map i find it hard to find a good base map to work on. Yesterday i found this web site where you can use Google maps images.
Photoshop overlay for Google Maps (http://www.maptiler.org/photoshop-google-maps-overlay-tiles/)

Site is really good and useful but doesnt work for me because in order to see smaller rivers and settlements you need to zoom a lot thus making the map image very small scale and i have no time taking few images and putting them together as a puzzle.
Does anyone know any other way to get good HD real world regional maps (specifically Drina river - Balkans) on Google maps or somewhere else?

Thanks

Viking
02-02-2014, 10:01 AM
When I have used google maps in the past I have had to do the gather and stitch method which is indeed very time consuming. One must be careful though as google does watermark its map images very faintly.

mvojnovic
02-03-2014, 08:35 AM
Do you know any other place where i can get good base maps? Basically i need map with detail rivers network to help me place settlements.

Hai-Etlik
02-04-2014, 01:18 AM
Open Street Map
Natural Earth (Requires some special software though)
A National Mapping Agency (Ordnance Survey, NRCan, USGS, etc)

Also, "small scale" is "zoomed out a lot" in cartography jargon, "large scale" is much less zoomed out.

1/10,000,000 is a much smaller number than 1/10,000. It's those actual scale factors that cartographers are talking about when they say a scale is large or small. The area covered by a map is the "extent".

You also need to be very aware of licenses. Natural earth, and some of the material produced by some mapping agencies (like the USGS) are public domain. Others are provided under varying licenses which may or may not be usable to you. That includes Google Maps; you can't just trace it and do whatever you want.

mvojnovic
02-04-2014, 09:07 AM
Ok Thanks, but USGS has only maps for US territory. I need base map covering this area (red square on map):
61015

mvojnovic
02-04-2014, 09:13 AM
I found good Austro-Hungarian topographic maps on this site (its over 100 years old and free to use )
III. katonai felmeres (http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm)

But map for area i need is good but i need something a little more extended to the west than it is on this map.
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/37-44.jpg

I tried to combine two maps one next to another but they are badly scanned and im not skilled enough to do that.

Lingon
02-04-2014, 01:07 PM
You might be able to use Natural Earth (http://www.naturalearthdata.com) maps. They have vector and raster (pixel) versions, and the raster maps come at three detail levels. You'll also need a projection changer if you don't have one already, like G.Projector (http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/gprojector/).

mvojnovic
02-04-2014, 01:42 PM
Ok thanks for links Lingen, and no i dont have projection changer. And sorry for a dum question but I just didnt figure out what do i have to download from Natural Earth site to get map ???

HandsomeRob
02-04-2014, 04:17 PM
I found this map that might work as a basemap for your project:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/txu-oclc-6472044-nl34-10.jpg

If that's not the exact right area, there is a clickable index map that you could use to find the right quad here:
Western Europe AMS Index Map - Perry-Castaņeda Map Collection - UT Library Online (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/index_map.html)

Azelor
02-04-2014, 07:25 PM
I still think that the simplest thing to do is to take Printscreens and paste them in photoshop. Maybe it's because I like puzzles :?

Hai-Etlik
02-04-2014, 11:39 PM
You might be able to use Natural Earth (http://www.naturalearthdata.com) maps. They have vector and raster (pixel) versions, and the raster maps come at three detail levels. You'll also need a projection changer if you don't have one already, like G.Projector (http://www.giss.nasa.gov/tools/gprojector/).

The raster datasets Natural Earth provides are strictly hypsometic and bathymetric. They don't show any features beyond topography. You're expected to add anything else you need (rivers, lakes, roads, cities, etc) from the vector data sets.


Ok Thanks, but USGS has only maps for US territory. I need base map covering this area (red square on map):
61015

Which is why I only mentioned it as one of several examples of national mapping agencies. Bosnia's is the Federal Geodetic Administration (http://www.fgu.com.ba) while Serbia's is the Republic Geodetic Authority (http://www.rgz.gov.rs)


I still think that the simplest thing to do is to take Printscreens and paste them in photoshop. Maybe it's because I like puzzles :?

Which has issues with copyright.

OpenStreetMap has an image export function (allows in the vicinity of 2k by 2k, found in the sidebar under "Sharing" not the "Export" button at the top) and it has a fairly usable license (the Open Database License) Very roughly (this is not remotely legal advice), it is a "share alike"/"copyleft" license for raw data (you have to share derived data under the same terms), but a "permissive" license (just give credit) for "produced works" like finished maps the present the data without changing it or even add wholly layers over it.

Lingon
02-05-2014, 04:33 AM
They have lots of variants of the Natural Earth raster maps. Here's one with topography, rivers and lakes:Gray Earth with Shaded Relief, Hypsography, Ocean Bottom, and Drainages | Natural Earth (http://www.naturalearthdata.com/downloads/10m-gray-earth/gray-earth-with-shaded-relief-ocean-bottom-and-drainages/) I don't know if it's detailed enough for this project, but is is extremely detailed :)

mvojnovic
02-05-2014, 09:43 AM
I found this map that might work as a basemap for your project:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/txu-oclc-6472044-nl34-10.jpg

If that's not the exact right area, there is a clickable index map that you could use to find the right quad here:
Western Europe AMS Index Map - Perry-Castaņeda Map Collection - UT Library Online (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/index_map.html)

Thanks for reply but none of those work for me because like other maps i have to sort them like a puzzle.

mvojnovic
02-05-2014, 09:45 AM
They have lots of variants of the Natural Earth raster maps. Here's one with topography, rivers and lakes:Gray Earth with Shaded Relief, Hypsography, Ocean Bottom, and Drainages | Natural Earth (http://www.naturalearthdata.com/downloads/10m-gray-earth/gray-earth-with-shaded-relief-ocean-bottom-and-drainages/) I don't know if it's detailed enough for this project, but is is extremely detailed :)

Ok ill give it a try but if theres no detail river system it wont work for me.

mvojnovic
02-05-2014, 10:11 AM
They have lots of variants of the Natural Earth raster maps. Here's one with topography, rivers and lakes:Gray Earth with Shaded Relief, Hypsography, Ocean Bottom, and Drainages | Natural Earth (http://www.naturalearthdata.com/downloads/10m-gray-earth/gray-earth-with-shaded-relief-ocean-bottom-and-drainages/) I don't know if it's detailed enough for this project, but is is extremely detailed :)

Ok i download it and couldn't open it with G. Projector only with normal image opening program and map wasnt detail enough. It is huge scale but since its a world map and not local one it lacks in detail. I need something like a map HandsomeRob posted just if it would cover more area to the south instead of north. I guess im picky about my base maps ;)

HandsomeRob
02-05-2014, 11:25 AM
The map to the south of the one I posted earlier is 34-1:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/txu-oclc-6472044-nk34-1.jpg

The index map is here:
Western Europe AMS Index Map - Perry-Castaņeda Map Collection - UT Library Online (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/index_map.html)

And the full list of map images is here:
Western Europe AMS Topographic Maps - Perry-Castaņeda Map Collection - UT Library Online (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/)

mvojnovic
02-05-2014, 01:18 PM
The map to the south of the one I posted earlier is 34-1:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/txu-oclc-6472044-nk34-1.jpg

The index map is here:
Western Europe AMS Index Map - Perry-Castaņeda Map Collection - UT Library Online (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/index_map.html)

And the full list of map images is here:
Western Europe AMS Topographic Maps - Perry-Castaņeda Map Collection - UT Library Online (http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/ams/western_europe/)

I have seen those maps before. They are good and detailed but like i said i need to puzzled them together to make it useful but i dont have enough skill to do that.