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TheHoarseWhisperer
02-24-2014, 09:39 PM
Howdy all. Allow me to add my name to the growing list of lite challenge entrants for the month. My map will depict a fantasy land populated by a number of places/people/features of old folk tales. It will be a hand-drawn map, possibly in a similar style to my Guildpark Zoo map (in the Feb 2014 challenge), although things might change as I get more ideas.

I was also thinking of trying to show the way that Puss in Boots has engineered all of the tales in my map to have their correct ending (eg. he told the woodcutter about the wolf impersonating Little Red Riding Hoodís grandmother; he told the princess she had to remain silent for years to save her brothers who had been turned into swans; he led the prince to Rapunzelís tower; he urged Sinbad to go on another adventure, and so forth).

My initial sketch has been attached to this post (and unfortunately it isn't very dark/clear at this stage).

As always, I welcome your comments and suggestions, feedback and questions.

THW

PS: Iím drawing the map on A3 paper, but my scanner can only do A4 or smaller. Iím gonna try and stitch the two sides of the page together in photoshop but does anyone know of other options/techniques?

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Bogie
02-25-2014, 01:34 AM
Nice start, looks interesting.

Raptori
02-25-2014, 06:04 AM
Do you have a good camera? When I have to scan things larger than my scanner, I place them on the floor with several lights illuminating them, then take a photo. I have a pretty good camera (and a tripod), so the result is almost as good as a scanned image.

Really like this idea, can see it being really beautiful :)

madcowchef
02-25-2014, 12:16 PM
Neat! I see you to couldn't resist Baba Yaga, my all time favorite character.

The_Buce
02-25-2014, 02:23 PM
This looks great! Love the Puss in Boots thing, too - I have 2 cats so I can understand the feeling behind Puss being some sort of fantasy world overlord :D

Xeonicus
02-25-2014, 05:09 PM
@madcowchef: Hehe.... I was thinking of doing Vasilisa the Beautiful with Baba Yaga. Definitely an awesome character.

TheHoarseWhisperer
02-27-2014, 08:46 PM
Thanks for the comments everyone.

@Raptori, I have an OK camera, but I'm not a great photographer, and I don't have the setup for a well-lit shot. It's hard to see the photography approach working, but thanks for the suggestion.

@madcowchef, to be honest, I don't know the story that well, but I couldn't resist the house on chicken legs. I liked your drawing of her house, by the way.

@The_Buce, I also have a cat, and can say with some authority that CATS ARE THE GREATEST THINGS IN THE UNIVERSE. And yeah, they definitely engineer whole worlds to suit them.

So, here's the latest update. The island at the far west has been completed (I might add a village or two, and maybe some trees), and part of the western coast. It is the land of the Luckchild (from a Russian folk tale).

THW

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TheHoarseWhisperer
03-04-2014, 01:35 AM
Here's the latest progress on the map. I've had to post it as four separate images, because I still haven't figured out the best way to stitch them together.

It is a map depicting many of the stories that we are all familiar with, but the central story to it all is this (abridged): a clever cat was caught fishing from the Erl King's pond. He was taken before the king, and began telling a story (like all fae-folk, the Erl King loves stories). To cut a long story short, he tricked the erl king, and stole the king's seven-league boots, which allowed him to travel across the land, seven leagues for every stride. The erl king, in his fury, unleashed the Wild Hunt, to catch, kill, and skin the cat, but the animal was too clever. Using his new-found speed, he ensured stories would take place everywhere, to distract the hunters, and buy himself some time. Thus, he led the woodsman to the house where the wolf was impersonating an old woman, he warned the three billy goats about the troll under the bridge, he wrecked a ship on the rocks, where mermaids swam, and so forth. Every time the hunters thought they had caught up with him, he would be one step (and seven leagues) ahead.

Comments welcome, as always.

THW

EDIT: the order of the images goes first image=top right; second image=top left; third image=bottom left; fourth image=bottom right. There's a lot of overlap between each, which I hoped would make them easier to stitch.

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madcowchef
03-04-2014, 02:21 AM
Love the story you have working on this one as well as the map. Those seaside cliffs working up into ravines are really perfect, can't wait to see the next step.

Xeonicus
03-04-2014, 10:56 AM
Your mountains are beautiful. I love the shading work. I'm not sure I could do something like that with my mouse.

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-10-2014, 03:47 AM
Thanks for those comments. And Xeonicus, I definitely couldn't draw mountains like that with just a mouse either, which is why I've drawn the whole map by hand, so far.

The hand-drawn part of the map is now finished, and so the remaining tasks are colouring it, labelling it, and, if I have time, adding little pictures from the various stories that are meant to be depicted. I might not finish in time for the voting, but I'm now one step closer.

I'd be keen to hear what people think, so far.

THW

PS: Ignore the red colouring. It willeventually be turned into something more normal, but at the moment, I'm rather curious to see how this map would turn out if painted in bloody hues.

PPS: Oh, and the name of the map has changed. It is now the Land of Silver and Golden Apples (after a poem by W. B. Yeats).

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flocko
03-10-2014, 05:51 AM
This map looks great so far! Nice job with the stitching. I'm looking forward to your progress.


...That red is really unsettling.

madcowchef
03-10-2014, 12:42 PM
My eyes go right to the forests and mountains both of which are beautiful. I'd have no problem with an red rendering as long as the cliffs stood out more. Wonderful job!

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-10-2014, 06:48 PM
Thanks.

Flocko: maybe it would be less disturbing if the seas weren't blood red. It does rather insinuate a gory history, doesn't it?

Madcowchef: I'm glad you like the mountains and forests. I wasn't sure the forests worked well. The main difficulty is in keeping my drawing style consistent. But then, I am probably super-aware of the problems in this map :)

madcowchef
03-10-2014, 08:03 PM
The secret is to stare at it long enough that everything that looked right at first looks all wrong, you question why you even started working on it, and then set fire to your house and begin reenacting scenes from Lord of the flies. Which is to say I know that feeling of being hyper aware of anything you don't like about your own work.

fabio p
03-11-2014, 12:11 PM
PPS: Oh, and the name of the map has changed. It is now the Land of Silver and Golden Apples (after a poem by W. B. Yeats).



Is it "The Song of Wandering AengusĒ?

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-11-2014, 06:40 PM
Is it "The Song of Wandering Aengus”?

Yep, that's it.

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-12-2014, 02:58 AM
I've added another update, this time with some of the colours made closer to their final form. Hills/mountains, cliffs, and deserts/beaches still have to be done. A few of the colours also don't work, in my opinion, so I'd like people's suggestions for ways to improve the colour scheme.

THW

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Azelor
03-12-2014, 11:48 AM
I like the colors so far.

arsheesh
03-12-2014, 04:10 PM
This looks really good THW!

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-13-2014, 03:21 AM
Thanks Arsheesh and Azelor.

Another day, another update. All of the colours have now been redone, except for the beaches/desert. I've also done two versions--one which shows the original drawing, and the other where the drawing is hidden. Which do people prefer (or, I should say, which do people think has the most promise)?

The main task that remains is to add the labels/places and stories. I doubt the map will be finished in time, but I will make sure to add at least one more update before Bogie calls the challenge closed. I've also been drawing some medallions for some of the stories (Baba Yaga, Little Mermaid, Rapunzel, and the Pied Piper), which I'll try to add for the next version.

EDIT: another thing I am planning on doing with this map is giving it a background texture of some sort (parchment, or old textile; that kinda thing). Unfortunately, when I tried to do so, it messed up the colours. Does anyone know a good way of applying textures without ruining the colour scheme?

THW.

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fabio p
03-13-2014, 08:42 AM
Personally I like both but I prefer the first (the one which shows the original drawing).
As for the texture, as far as I know, I think you could desaturate a bit or completely the parchment\paper you plan to apply, for minimum interference with the original colour scheme; but maybe some of the more expert guys here could have a better advice.

Bogie
03-13-2014, 09:23 AM
I like the first one with the original drawing the best. Looking great!

Azelor
03-13-2014, 12:19 PM
I'm going to contradict the others and say that I prefer the second one. Your map is pale and I think using some black lines help to define the different elements. Otherwise they tend to blend one into another.
That being said, I would lower the opacity of some lines ; around the rivers and the marsh for example because the contrast seems pretty strong. Or maybe smaller lines?

- Max -
03-13-2014, 01:16 PM
Thanks Arsheesh and Azelor.
EDIT: another thing I am planning on doing with this map is giving it a background texture of some sort (parchment, or old textile; that kinda thing). Unfortunately, when I tried to do so, it messed up the colours. Does anyone know a good way of applying textures without ruining the colour scheme?

THW.

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You should have thought about it before going on colors. now you've done it, adding some parchment background (wherever you use it as a background layer or some blending layer), this will change your colors. Now the best way is probably to get some paper/parchment textured paper with a light color that you can set over the map with multiply bleding mode (play with opacity to set it to your tastes) or combinate a few blending modes layers. It will depend on the texture you'll use.

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-14-2014, 04:12 AM
From those responses, I think I'll stick with the first one.


You should have thought about it before going on colors. now you've done it, adding some parchment background (wherever you use it as a background layer or some blending layer), this will change your colors. Now the best way is probably to get some paper/parchment textured paper with a light color that you can set over the map with multiply bleding mode (play with opacity to set it to your tastes) or combinate a few blending modes layers. It will depend on the texture you'll use.

Max, you're right, but, frankly, I forgot about the texture until it was too late. I will probably not bother adding a texture at this stage, but thanks for the suggestion. It might come in handy next time.

This is not a finished map, but it is probably the last update I'll be able to provide before the voting begins. As is probably obvious, some, but far from all, of the labels are in (and rather hastily done, unfortunately), and the colours are finished. I didn't get round to adding the medallions, but I'm going to keep working on this map even after the challenge is over, and so they will be there eventually. Thanks to everyone for the comments received thus far, and, given that this map is not finished, any suggestions to improve it are greatly appreciated (especially my labelling; as is probably obvious from this and my Guildpark Zoo map, labelling isn't my strong point).

THW

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Raptori
03-14-2014, 06:07 AM
The only thing I don't quite like on it at the moment is the icons - they don't really fit that well with the style of the background yet.

The mist in those mountains makes them look awesome. The trees and forests look great, and the coastlines are perfect. I think this map is the best example I've seen of a map showing a continent/nation with consistent perspective - most of the time the land, roads, borders, etc are top down, while the mountains and trees are in perspective, which to me makes the map look really odd. I think that's why I love this map so much :)

Ilanthar
03-14-2014, 08:05 AM
Glad you keep the first one (the one I prefer :)), even if the second is somehow interesting!

I agree with Raptori about the icons. You should maybe go for a more drawn style to fit the rest of the map (linework squares, crosses...?).
As for the background texture, the recommandations of - Max - are just good imo, and I'll simply add that the multiply blend effect will work even better on a texture in shades of grey.

- Max -
03-14-2014, 08:42 AM
Max, you're right, but, frankly, I forgot about the texture until it was too late. I will probably not bother adding a texture at this stage, but thanks for the suggestion. It might come in handy next time.

This could be an easy and quick step. If you don't mind, attached below is your map with a texture quickly thrown in at multiply blending mode, you can see what it would look like with just 1 minute work.

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TheHoarseWhisperer
03-14-2014, 09:01 AM
Thanks Raptori, that is high praise indeed.

I agree with you and Ilanthar about the icons. I spent most of today trying to decide on a good style, checking out what other people have done, doing a few tests, and I still wasn't pleased with the outcome. I'll keep trying though. I like Ilanthar's suggestion of a drawn style of icon.

@Max: hey that looks really good. I had done a test, and didn't like it, but I think the problem was I used a much more crinkly-looking parchment, which caused a lot more distortion. Thanks for showing me that; I'll try it out tomorrow (it's late here in Aussieland, right now).

THW

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-14-2014, 10:22 PM
Well this is turning into a last minute scramble. Here is another update: added a texture as per Max's suggestion; redid the icons (rather hastily, but I definitely like them better now), added more text, and also added the six medallions I have managed to draw in time.

Depending on when Bogie calls the challenge over, I'll try and get another update ready.

THW

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madcowchef
03-14-2014, 10:26 PM
The details are excellent, they are really bringing the fairytale aspect out and adding immensely to the interest in the map. I have no useful criticism, amazing job!

TheHoarseWhisperer
03-14-2014, 11:04 PM
Thanks MCC. I think I'll call this the last update. Simply added some more text, and made some of the text easier to read. All the stories are in now, except for Godfather Death, Bearskin, and Hansel & Gretel. Hopefully I haven't forgotten anything important.

THW

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