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- Max -
03-01-2014, 08:13 AM
Hey all,

I sometimes need some breath between commisioned works and I decided to work on a fictionnal map inspired by some late 16th century style (which I didn't see that much around). I started with the overall map design (background texture, border, hand-drawn cartouches and landshapes).

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Raptori
03-01-2014, 08:54 AM
Gorgeous style so far :)

Ilanthar
03-01-2014, 10:32 AM
Cool, I already like the layout and idea, Mr Massimo Plaza ;)!

- Max -
03-01-2014, 11:06 AM
:) Thanks! Updated with colors added on cartouches and work on coastlines and seas.

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Diamond
03-01-2014, 01:32 PM
What??? You need to take a breath?? :D

I'm really liking this so far. I think the only thing I'm not 100% sold on is the stipple in the oceans combined with the lines along the coasts - the two elements together feel jarring to me, but not to the point where they ruin the map. Probably because both are very subtle.

- Max -
03-01-2014, 02:59 PM
Thanks :)

I think the only thing I'm not 100% sold on is the stipple in the oceans combined with the lines along the coasts - the two elements together feel jarring to me
I was inspired by some Ortelius maps where I saw that combination and I kinda liked it, well, so I did :D Anyway, here's an update with mountains, forests and rivers drawn.

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Skieroe
03-01-2014, 03:53 PM
Truly an inspiring style, I can't wait to see the next update

Eilathen
03-01-2014, 04:25 PM
Hmm...will be interesting to see how this will turn out. I like the landshapes.

Viking
03-01-2014, 04:40 PM
Nice work Max! I like the look of the trees actually.

arsheesh
03-01-2014, 06:02 PM
Love the colors and the overall style of this one. Looking forward to seeing more.

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

- Max -
03-01-2014, 06:09 PM
Thank you guys!

Love the colors and the overall style of this one. Looking forward to seeing more.
Cheers,
-Arsheesh
Ask and you shall receive :) Updated with city icons drawn and labeling started.

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TheHoarseWhisperer
03-01-2014, 06:12 PM
Great work, as usual. I'm with you about the oceans; I like that stippled effect with the coast lines. The mild colours and cartouches are also really good.

THW

Ilanthar
03-01-2014, 07:35 PM
By - Max -
Ask and you shall receive

And very quickly! :) I'm wondering what you'll put on the upper right corner... hmmm. Wait! Don't spoil, I prefer to be surprised (and it won't be a long wait, I guess ;) )

Lyandra
03-01-2014, 08:46 PM
Looks lovely. I really like this style.

- Max -
03-02-2014, 06:40 AM
Thank you :)

Updated with all labels, borders and a few details.

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- Max -
03-02-2014, 05:18 PM
Update : done with the map of Urenia. Time to fill in the upper right space now :)

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Raptori
03-02-2014, 06:58 PM
This really is beautiful. I'd change the region outline at the top to a different colour though, the green looks a bit like it's indicating a more fertile (i.e. green) strip of land when it's near the coast.

Eilathen
03-03-2014, 05:38 AM
As always a very nice overall design/look.
Mapwise, i am not that fond of this style - rivers are too dominating (look more branch-like than rivers), the mountains are a bit simple and too hill-y for my taste and the tree-symbols (at least at this resolution) are not to my taste.

flocko
03-03-2014, 06:22 AM
I really love this style. And the non map elements are particularly nice. But I find your text placement really bothersome. All of the broken words are kind of jarring.

fabio p
03-03-2014, 09:09 AM
I really have a soft spot for 1600-1700 maps, and I can see that you (and Sapiento, on this site, I don't know if others have ventured on this terrain) can reproduce them with your own personal style, without loosing a strong tie with Blaeu, Ortelius and other cartographers's style of that era. Congratulations!
Amongst the great features I particularly dig the cartouches, they are really beatiful. You wrote you hand drawn them; may I ask you if you did them with a wacom tablet (or similar) completely free hand or if you used shapes (maybe in illustrator)?
If you don't mind, I also would like to know which fonts you used. Thanks!

Caenwyr
03-03-2014, 09:09 AM
Hi Max! A fantastic map, and I like how you did the borders over the mountains! Maybe I should try that as well!

One tiny remark: On the left map I see the word "septentrio" (North), on the bottom right map however it spells "SEPTEMTRIO". I guess that's a typo.

Also, while your cardinal directions on the left map are written in lower case and in the border, on the bottom right map they are written in upper case and on the map itself (just inside from the border). Just letting you know in case you wanted to keep some consistency between the two maps.

Other than that, another great map, Max, albeit in a different style than usual. It reminds me of this map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Quad_Flandria.jpg) (I can see my house from here!). Great job, Max! Keep it coming!

Domino44
03-03-2014, 09:12 AM
looks amazing! like always.

- Max -
03-03-2014, 11:03 AM
Thanks for the support all you guys!


This really is beautiful. I'd change the region outline at the top to a different colour though, the green looks a bit like it's indicating a more fertile (i.e. green) strip of land when it's near the coast.

Didn't think about that, hmm yea I'll think of it! :)


As always a very nice overall design/look.
Mapwise, i am not that fond of this style - rivers are too dominating (look more branch-like than rivers), the mountains are a bit simple and too hill-y for my taste and the tree-symbols (at least at this resolution) are not to my taste.
Rivers, mountains and trees were done to emulate some late 16th century style, with those weird rivers, simple round hatched mountains and spined trees ;)


I really love this style. And the non map elements are particularly nice. But I find your text placement really bothersome. All of the broken words are kind of jarring.
I would think the same on a map if it wasn't to give it the specific historic style touch. You might want to check some maps from this period, you'll see that curved texts and kerning weren't really used and that broken words were used a lot. That is what gives some charm to those maps :)


I really have a soft spot for 1600-1700 maps, and I can see that you (and Sapiento, on this site, I don't know if others have ventured on this terrain) can reproduce them with your own personal style, without loosing a strong tie with Blaeu, Ortelius and other cartographers's style of that era. Congratulations!
Amongst the great features I particularly dig the cartouches, they are really beatiful. You wrote you hand drawn them; may I ask you if you did them with a wacom tablet (or similar) completely free hand or if you used shapes (maybe in illustrator)?
If you don't mind, I also would like to know which fonts you used. Thanks!
Thanks Fabio! The cartouches, the boat, the cities icons and all the geographical elements are free hand, drawn with a tablet. Also the fonts used are Telegdi, both regular and italic versions and Chapbook.


Hi Max! A fantastic map, and I like how you did the borders over the mountains! Maybe I should try that as well!

One tiny remark: On the left map I see the word "septentrio" (North), on the bottom right map however it spells "SEPTEMTRIO". I guess that's a typo.

Also, while your cardinal directions on the left map are written in lower case and in the border, on the bottom right map they are written in upper case and on the map itself (just inside from the border). Just letting you know in case you wanted to keep some consistency between the two maps.

Other than that, another great map, Max, albeit in a different style than usual. It reminds me of this map (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Quad_Flandria.jpg) (I can see my house from here!). Great job, Max! Keep it coming!

The Septentrio and Septemtrio "typo" are intended. I saw both use of them on those historic period maps ;) Also the same for lower case and upper case cardinal directions. I wanted some of what could appears for us as inconsistency but that was frequent on this kind of maps.

Diamond
03-03-2014, 12:31 PM
I really love this style. And the non map elements are particularly nice. But I find your text placement really bothersome. All of the broken words are kind of jarring.

That's simply following the style; many (or most) maps of that period do this.

- Max -
03-03-2014, 07:17 PM
An update with the main outline of the bird's eye (small) city view of the upper right frame.

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- Max -
03-04-2014, 12:14 AM
Added some details and the river.

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TheHoarseWhisperer
03-04-2014, 12:46 AM
I really like the city view, although shouldn't there be some kind of gate between the middle and top parts of the town? Anyway, the town view has a very authentic feel to it.

The main parts of the map have a few things that I don't think work too well. The national borders look too sharp and clean (especially the coast of Regio Linatuca and near R Meldorania in the east).

I also think the hills/mountains in Urenia look a bit too clean. Could you perhaps blur the outlines of the hills, to give it a more weathered and (hopefully) authentic appearance? I don't think it is so necessary in Vardenia, because the hills/mountains are smaller.

Those issues aside, this is really looking great. The labels are very very good.

THW

Lingon
03-04-2014, 03:38 AM
This will become awesome… Well, it already is, but I mean… you know ;) It looks fantastic. I love the inconsistencies and the partly odd labeling, it adds a lot of flavor.

Ilanthar
03-04-2014, 05:21 AM
A city?! Very nice addition :)

Sapiento
03-04-2014, 05:29 AM
This map develops into a real beauty.

vorropohaiah
03-04-2014, 05:48 AM
very nice look at a 1600 ish map. After seeing one of sapiento'sa while back ive wanted to try one of these for ages. nice to see a different type of style, also

- Max -
03-04-2014, 07:59 AM
Thanks much guys, glad you like it! An update with the landscape on the western river bank.

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I really like the city view, although shouldn't there be some kind of gate between the middle and top parts of the town? Anyway, the town view has a very authentic feel to it.
The main parts of the map have a few things that I don't think work too well. The national borders look too sharp and clean (especially the coast of Regio Linatuca and near R Meldorania in the east).
I also think the hills/mountains in Urenia look a bit too clean. Could you perhaps blur the outlines of the hills, to give it a more weathered and (hopefully) authentic appearance? I don't think it is so necessary in Vardenia, because the hills/mountains are smaller.
Those issues aside, this is really looking great. The labels are very very good.

THW

As for the city part, yep there are two gates between middle and top part of the city, I added them since the latest update :)
You're totally right about the borders, I'm not fully statisfied of them, I'll probably work on them again (and see what I can do with the mountains outlines of the Urenia part aswell)


I love the inconsistencies and the partly odd labeling, it adds a lot of flavor.
:) indeed; I think so!

Bogie
03-04-2014, 08:27 AM
Great map Max, nice style.

Raptori
03-04-2014, 08:43 AM
That landscape... :o

Freodin
03-04-2014, 10:28 AM
It's this 16th century style that started my addiction with maps, and this is a fantastic representation of this style... down to the flaws, the inconsistencies, the "broken" labels. Simply perfect!

- Max -
03-04-2014, 01:06 PM
Thanks Guys! Here's an update with the finished outlining work on the city map (added missing landscape, the cartouche title and the city blazon aswell)

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arsheesh
03-04-2014, 01:45 PM
Really digging the style of this map Max!

Cheers,
-Arsheesh

Raptori
03-04-2014, 02:38 PM
I can't stop staring at that city map... D:

Diamond
03-04-2014, 02:41 PM
Max, I'm going to eat your brain and hopefully absorb some of that talent. Map zombie! Mapombie? :D

That city layout is awesome.

- Max -
03-04-2014, 08:18 PM
Thanks much! Eat my brain? *run away* :D

Alright, updated with colors added on city, title cartouche and blazon. I also worked a bit on mountains outlines and aged the borders a bit (not sure if that's really efficient though)

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PokealypseNow
03-04-2014, 08:51 PM
:) Thanks! Updated with colors added on cartouches and work on coastlines and seas.

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Alright, I got to know how you did the dot work in the oceans. Surely there's a brush setting at play there, because placing them all individually would have driven me mad.

eViLe_eAgLe
03-04-2014, 09:41 PM
Alright, I got to know how you did the dot work in the oceans. Surely there's a brush setting at play there, because placing them all individually would have driven me mad.

My guess is that it's a pattern, or a brush set, it doesn't look terribly hard to reproduce.
Also, I very much like that city, it adds a nice touch and just looks plain great!

- Max -
03-05-2014, 06:02 AM
Thanks eViLe_eAgLe :) Indeed, the dots in the seas are some hand drawn dots turned into a pattern.

Llannagh
03-05-2014, 08:39 AM
This is really cool. I doubt that you're a real person, though. I bet there are at least four or five of you who share this account. There can be no other way to keep up that kind of productivity... ("maps per hour", didn't someone come up with that?)

Ilanthar
03-05-2014, 11:46 AM
By Llannagh
This is really cool. I doubt that you're a real person, though. I bet there are at least four or five of you who share this account. There can be no other way to keep up that kind of productivity...

I bet on twelve! Never heard of the "Twelve Monkeys Army" :P?

Schwarzkreuz
03-05-2014, 04:33 PM
Maps per Hour. Yes, I wasnt considering that as something real till ... -Max-

Lingon
03-05-2014, 05:06 PM
Not to boast, butů 8)

How high mph (maps per hour) do you currently have? :P

The map is gorgeous, the colored city is a real showstealer!

- Max -
03-05-2014, 06:09 PM
:D Well, the map is now done and you can find it in the finished thread (http://www.cartographersguild.com/finished-maps/26410-vardenia-urenia.html). Thanks for all the comments and the support, fellow cartographers!

bleedscarlet
07-14-2014, 10:50 AM
Holy frigg. You are amazing!