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cniemira
08-09-2008, 05:49 PM
Behold! My first attempt at a boat.

The "Sea Roc" comprises mostly CC3 and SS2 art, with some bits from the CSUAC (most notably the pier), and a pair of custom images (the "pit" views into the cargo hold). I'm not fond of the water texture, but I guess it's serviceable enough for now.

I'm still learning CC3, so it's still lacking in a lot of ways (this is only my 4th attempt at a map, and the first one I actually plan to "finish"). That said, I think I've got a lot of the basics down, and I'm looking for C&C on how to tweak this up to the next level.

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(Oh, and... I was thinking of putting together a tutorial on how I made the boat shape, since it took me a lot of trial and error. It's probably not the most efficient way, but if anyone's interested, I'll gladly share.)

Steel General
08-09-2008, 06:27 PM
I like this so far, and I think the biggest problem with the water texture is that it's too repetitive.

EDIT: oh and your signature is messed up I think. :)

Sigurd
08-09-2008, 08:19 PM
Its very pretty and useful. You might find it more easy on the eye if you replaced the water texture with something less busy. You might also try a shade or overlay to denote what was inside and what was on the open deck.

Sigurd

Keep it up!

Hinaloth
08-10-2008, 11:05 AM
I like this so far, and I think the biggest problem with the water texture is that it's too repetitive.

+1 The water is ... well, too squarry I think. But else it's fun to see :D

cniemira
08-10-2008, 04:17 PM
Thanks for the comments. Here's my second pass:

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I've replaced the water texture with something that I feel works much better, and darkened the interior compartments.

Headed in the right direction?

Turgenev
08-10-2008, 05:10 PM
It might just be me but I still fine the water to be too uniformed (samey). The galleon looks great though! Nice work.

Midgardsormr
08-10-2008, 08:48 PM
The trouble is that it's got a very pronounced contrast between bright and dark, which makes the tiling obvious. You might be able to disguise that with an additional texture of a different size blended into it... Perhaps a clouds render out of Gimp would do the trick. Try adding another sheet filled with the attached texture, and give it a transparency effect to taste; 15% is where I'd start. The texture is 700 X 700, so it shouldn't line up with the existing water, and should therefore break up the obvious repetition (I hope).

Redrobes
08-10-2008, 09:17 PM
There is a tutorial and a script to automate making seamless tiles here...

http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1373

The problem that you have is that the overall contrast of the tile is too high and it needs 'flattening'. Using the script there are two parameters, one is the flattening amount 1 - 3. I would go for 2 unless you think otherwise. And the second parameter is the image to tile and flatten.

To break up repeating patterns of a seamless and flat tile. Take a layer and flood it with the tile as you have already done. Then take another layer and flood it with the same tile but stretched a bit in both directions. Resample it maybe 131% or so and then flood it into layer 2. Then blend both layers together. Prefereably with a nice noise function but you can do a straight 50:50 average and it still looks good.

cniemira
08-12-2008, 10:41 PM
Well, I think I'm making progress in the water department.

I started by "flattening" out my water tile. The IM script Redrobes provided didn't work out very well for me (might just be my result with this tile).

Before:
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After:
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Yikes! Even more contrast in that one. I eventually just resorted to tweaking the color levels by hand with The Gimp, and got this (this is actually my second version. The first was a bit more turquoise until I turned the blue back up. See below):
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When combined with a semi-transparent cloud render as Midgardsormr suggests, here's what I got:

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I didn't like the turq color, nor did I feel there was enough "noise" from that cloud, so I tweaked a bit more and came up with this:

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You can still see the water "pattern" if you look for it, though.

cniemira
08-12-2008, 10:42 PM
Turning up the opacity on the cloud layer a few percent gets me this:

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Redrobes
08-12-2008, 10:51 PM
There is a level 1 to 3 for the flattening. If you go for 3 then its pretty tough on the flattening. Anyway I think your new texture is great.

Ascension
08-13-2008, 01:30 AM
I agree, this one is looking pretty good. And the boat aint bad either.

torstan
08-13-2008, 09:01 AM
Yep, looks good to me. You can also continue to work into it by finding other lextures, putting them on layers over the base one and changing their blend mode to soft/hard light or overlay. That should help to break up any remaining repeating details. This can also be done with clouds filters as layer masks.

Looking good, and great to see a few more ships around here.

cniemira
08-13-2008, 10:54 AM
Thanks for all of the feedback and encouragement everyone! I'm learning a ton from this one simple map, and every time I do something I get a little faster and a little better at it (except the renders... those are painfully slow).

When I get home tonight, I'll start putting together the other decks.

cniemira
08-13-2008, 10:55 AM
EDIT: oh and your signature is messed up I think. :)

Meant to reply to this earlier... that's actually exactly what my signature is supposed to look like. In a way, it's sort of a puzzle.

cniemira
08-14-2008, 12:24 AM
While I believe a galleon would actually have two more decks, this is all I care to cram into the map for the time being (mostly because the adventure I'm drawing it for only sees the main and cargo decks).

Anywho, I think I'm near the home stretch... any suggestions for finishing touches?

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torstan
08-14-2008, 06:00 AM
A few thoughts.

Your drop shadows need some love. It looks like your openings from the main deck to the cargo deck have drop shadows on the main deck - which is weird. Also, the staircases have a uniform drop shadow where the shadow should be shorter for the lower steps. The Mizzen and Aft decks aren't casting a shadow on the main decks. The ladder to the foredeck casts a shadow on the foredeck, even when it is below it.... you get the idea. Go through the drop shadows and think about what they are doing. This is too pretty a map to spoil on something as small as this.

Otherwise, I'd say you should place some items in the fore and aft cabins. You have lots of nice set dressing elsewhere, why not a captain's desk and bed in the aft cabin.

Looking good!