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xv43
10-01-2008, 12:08 PM
I've started work on a library, this'll be used on maptool, so it has no grid built into it. I've been using the random rotate script (thanks RobA!) for a lot of the little parts, like how the chairs are arranged.

Since I knew I wanted my bookcases to be brown, I really didn't want to use a brown wood floor, so I used this kinda grayish one. Not sure I like it. I'm considering looking into more of a carpeted texture, but this will be used in a game with a medieval setting, and I'm not really sure how commonplace carpeting was.

I don't really like the bookcases, they're on their own layer right now called "stacks" so I can easily delete just them and replace them with something else, but I'm not finding any top-down bookcases that I like so I may have to just live with them.

There's a trapdoor under the table in the top-right conference room that leads to the basement of the library, where they keep the secure books that nobody is supposed to know about or read. I haven't made that level yet, when I do I'll post it in here.

I've tried to be really good about keeping everything in layers so I can edit single parts without trashing the whole image, so feel free to criticize any part of it. I have a gimp .xcf version that saves the layers that right now is exactly the same as this exported .png, so I can edit it.

Also, doors will be placed in maptool so I can edit them in-game.

delgondahntelius
10-01-2008, 12:14 PM
I don't really like the bookcases, they're on their own layer right now called "stacks" so I can easily delete just them and replace them with something else, but I'm not finding any top-down bookcases that I like so I may have to just live with them.

Find?? FIND?!? ... sounds like a pretty good reason to start making your own, wouldn't you say? :D
I've got faith in ya, go make some bookcases! :)

xv43
10-01-2008, 12:29 PM
Find?? FIND?!? ... sounds like a pretty good reason to start making your own, wouldn't you say? :D
I've got faith in ya, go make some bookcases! :)I tried, but wasn't liking my results... mostly I couldn't figure out how to get realistic books onto them.

delgondahntelius
10-01-2008, 01:27 PM
I've used Xara Xtreme and RealDraw Pro with some success on making PNG objects to place into maps... you might check those out... both are sweet programs....

xv43
10-01-2008, 02:58 PM
Okay, here's what I'm attempting to do, and I need suggestions.
I've created a bookshelf in two parts - one part for the base, another part for the top. Then I've created some simple book images, I'm planning to scale them to slightly different sizes and place them at slightly different depths over the base of the shelf, then pull the top of the shelf over it so that mostly only the spines show, maybe a little pages. I'm hoping through doing this to create an image of books on the shelves.

I'm trying to think of a way to make the books look better. Right now they're just stock one color spine, white interior. I can't get fine enough lines on the inside to really look like pages... I think I need some kind of texture or noise, but can't think of what.

I'm attaching the shelf images and the stock book image to see what I'm talking about, any suggestions on how to make the books look more real would be appreciated.

mmmmmpig
10-01-2008, 03:11 PM
often the top shelves of bookcases are open for oversized items and non traditional books. I would suggest a smattering of different sized books, some scrolls, stacks of bound loose papers, and different bookends as well. I like where this is going

xv43
10-01-2008, 03:26 PM
It occurred to me that I have a digital camera and some green construction paper, so I grabbed some books off the shelf and placed them over the paper, then turned the green transparent (had to hand-touch up a few things because one of the covers was green... whoops!)

I didn't work through the entire shelf, but how does this look to others?

xv43
10-02-2008, 10:49 AM
Three different bookcases, can't decide which I like best.

Redstar
10-02-2008, 11:22 AM
I recently just had a run in with some bookshelves for a map I was working on for my game. I came to the conclusion that bookshelves are only really interesting from the side. My solution? just place books/scrolls randomly "on top of the book shelf". It isn't very accurate in terms of how they actually work, but it makes it 1) clear what they are and 2) interesting to look at.

Those look like they might be from the Dundjinni's forums (I love that place too!) Try searching for "book" or "bookshelf" or "bookshelves". I found some ones I liked over there.

On carpet: I think most older libraries had patterned marble floors. Think Indian Jones and the Last Crusade. "'X' marks the spot..."

xv43
10-02-2008, 11:49 AM
The middle set of bookshelves are from the dundjinni forums, the outer two I made myself... the books are actually digital photos of books I own. You may be right about just putting stuff on top and leaving it at that...

On carpet: I think most older libraries had patterned marble floors. Think Indian Jones and the Last Crusade. "'X' marks the spot..."Marble seems better than carpet... I'll probably have to run a few test floors and see what comes up, but it hadn't even occurred to me before... thanks!

delgondahntelius
10-02-2008, 01:26 PM
I Like the far right shelves... they look good to me... but definitely mix and match.... make a few extra ones with books in differently places..... flip them so you don't have that repetative look... I think they'll do just fine... and you can throw a couple things on top of the shelves to boot.... if there is a top shelf, the more than likely stuff will end up there sooner or later: :D

Ascension
10-02-2008, 05:50 PM
Count me in as another vote for stuff on top...and maybe scatter a book or 2 on the floor and maybe a cart with books on it.

xv43
10-03-2008, 05:55 PM
Here's the beginning of the basement for the library. Again the doors haven't been placed yet.

It seems kind of bare to me, any suggestions on what else to put down here?

Gandwarf
10-06-2008, 06:27 AM
Here's the beginning of the basement for the library. Again the doors haven't been placed yet.

It seems kind of bare to me, any suggestions on what else to put down here?

Some chests, crates, bags, more shelves? But don't overdo it. It already looks nice and you don't want to clutter it.

xv43
10-06-2008, 01:28 PM
I think I definitely need more shelves... I showed the map to a couple of people and one of them commented, "is the book in the cage the only one?"

I'm also going to move the ladder into the middle of the pentagram to provide more continuity with the upper level of the library.

mmmmmpig
10-06-2008, 01:42 PM
the basement of a library in those days would have supplies for rebinding books as well. I would suggest some work areas for that kind of operation (desk tanning supplies, sewing supplies, loose sheafs of paper, etc...)

Looking good though

jfrazierjr
10-06-2008, 03:13 PM
Three different bookcases, can't decide which I like best.

There are a few things I can think of off the top of my head that you might want to look into, namely light and your bevels(in relationship to your light). Look in the center room for example. You have the light on the side table with the shadow in the South East. Yet your chairs have the shadow on the bevel in the North East. The center circular table has no shadow at all and the book on top seems to blend into the table as a design rather than standing out as a totally separate object. Not sure if this is due to the objects you are using and how they are pre-made, but it's something to think of. You might also want to do a tiny bit of shadow around the interior walls with a gradient blur to add some depth to the walls.

I really like the book shelves on the right, they just need some more variation. It's a lot of work, but with the fairly low number of book shelves you have total, you might want to consider making each one as a seperate object to make them all unique. Also, there is nothing to prevent having different size cases. Given the scale of the chairs, the existing cases are no more then 4-6 feet in length, so perhaps long singular rows may be appropriate.