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Gowienczyk
11-02-2008, 07:37 AM
Hello, there or something! I IS NEW GUIZ. I'm Mike, I've been doing this roleplaying thing for 7 years at best and mapmaking I guess maybe 5 or 4. Though, really my first maps were paint jobs with no real artistic value; purely some imagery to go on with the story. I've currently been working on a few campaigns on my Sathis world, which entails several details of Tromania and watnot. I found a place on EN or some other website and they namedropped this site and I'm glad that's the case. So much I can learn from here; even if I do my maps in Adobe/Macromedia Flash Pro, while most of you are akin to Photoshop or GIMP from my understanding. But yeah, I was wondering if I could access any tips, advice or hell any comments watsoever. I couldn't really figure how to bring forests to life on the map so I didn't paint them on there. Mountains were resized several times before I was happy. Those lighter liens are ****ty territorial/county borders I made, not rivers.

Heres a map in question: http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y205/Mike1204/Sathis3.png

I have a intereactive version here: http://mike1204.deviantart.com/art/Sathis-v3-0-A-102333489

Feel free to say hello, give a comment or whatever.

I think I'll like it here.

Steel General
11-02-2008, 08:58 AM
Welcome Aboard!

NeonKnight or someone will be along eventually to banish your 'Blue Pip of Shame' - more about that later.

Interesting maps - I couldn't view the interactive one (Firefox or my ISP was being a pain-in-the-posterior) but the other one was nicely done - simple, nice color scheme, just wish I could've zoomed-in a bit more.

As for tips, etc. depends on how you want your maps to appear. Folks here all have their own tastes and styles so give us an idea on what you're looking to do and I'm sure some one will speak-up.

You may want to create a thread for your stuff in one of the WIP forums - rather than posting them here.

Gowienczyk
11-02-2008, 09:07 AM
Fair enough. A lot of my maps usually take the same smooth style, I think. I like to use flash and I've always preferred it's undo feature (among other things) to photoshop so it's a bit harder to do some of the more interesting thing I've seen the photoshop mappers do. Right now I want to figure on how to make rivers look nicely on my map (which is obvious as there are no real rivers outside of the Dracori Marsh/Delta). I also want to figure out how to make forests look better on this map. I tried using icons and it just didn't sit right with me; I tried making a solid color section akin to the desert scheme, but that didn't work either. I also, wanted the mountains to be different but I'll live with them how they are.

Haha, I'm not even too fond of the city markers. I loved my lineart, color schemes and 'railroad' trail quite a bit. Not so much on paths, but I think they are necessary.

My banter is a bit of a mouthful, I'm sure.

But basically I want to improve in my flash mapmaking overall when it comes to everything but the lineart, scheme and mountains. Hm. But thanks for the welcome. Yeah, the PNG is a bit distant and zooming in would be nice - but that's why I always put .swf versions on my deviantART, I think. In case people want to zoom and explore.

Heh.

Redrobes
11-02-2008, 09:10 AM
Hello Mike, Nice political borders on your maps there ;)

Welcome, im sure you will gets lots of good comments around here.

Gowienczyk
11-02-2008, 09:12 AM
Hello Mike, Nice political borders on your maps there ;)

Welcome, im sure you will gets lots of good comments around here.

I think they are quite sloppy, personally! Haha.

Sounds like a plan.

jfrazierjr
11-02-2008, 09:48 AM
Welcome to the Guild!

Midgardsormr
11-02-2008, 10:54 AM
Welcome!

First thing: Take a look at Fogdown in the Cartographer's Choice board. Redstar created that map in Flash and then did a little bit of post-work in Photoshop. It's a superb example of what can be done with Flash.

Your maps are extremely low-contrast. I had to turn the contrast setting on my monitor down in order to see them at all (which is probably a good thing on my part, since I didn't realize it was up so high). It looks almost as though you've turned the opacity of the entire image down, graying it out.

Now, using a vector program like Flash gives you a big advantage in the ability to zoom in as much as you want, but I think you should choose the zoom-level you want the maps to be viewed in and design the icons and labels for that scale. As it stands, the mountains are tiny, and the labels and glyphs (very nice, by the way) are enormous. I zoomed in twice and found that level to be comfortable.

There's a huge amount of whitespace. I'd drop the titles at the top, since you've also got the continents labeled, and crop it in to leave no more than 30% of the vertical "page" as whitespace. 20% would be better.

Concerning the borders, I think the way they're drawn in is fine. You might vary the shade of each country slightly to make it more obvious what the lines represent. We're used to seeing those political maps where each country is a different color, so I think that would improve the sense that there are multiple nations on each continent.

Very nice work, and I'm looking forward to seeing what else you come up with! As you experiment, be sure to post some tips on using Flash for cartography--we don't see very many maps made with it.

NeonKnight
11-02-2008, 10:59 AM
Yes Welcome to the Guild! I hereby Banish the BLUE PIP 'o' SHAME and make it all nice and green!

*Steel General, You can also banish the blue pip if yuou are here first ;)

ravells
11-02-2008, 12:00 PM
Welcome to the guild! I think you're going to become our resident Flash expert!

Enjoy your stay at the site!

jezelf
11-02-2008, 12:12 PM
Welcome! - great looking maps love the clean style, fonts icongraphy. The only comments I have on them is they are very pale not making it easy on the eye to read (takes a bit of adjustment ) and wish they were bigger for me to pour over, so subjective things really.

good to have you here!

cheers
jez

Gowienczyk
11-02-2008, 06:24 PM
Thanks for the welcome guys! I know my maps have a bit of a clear and light contrast, I think that's become part of my art style actually. Doesn't hurt to adjust your monitors anyway, amirite? ;)

But yeah, I understand the complaints. I do hope to be a flash expert, but we'll see. I'm glad you like the "glyphs" I used, too. I had to find some icon for the nation's crests; and my only option was webbidings or whatever the font is called. I might color in the nations within it's counties, too as suggested.

Also, I'll see what I can do with tips in due time! At that note, I've added the ongoing wiki I've been working on for my setting in my signature. Feel free to browse on that and tell me what you think via a PM, IM or comment. I love chatting. Also, I would love to find more co-writers for the thing here. Because unlike other GM's my storytelling project, my Roleplay is not based on technical dynamics, dice or a DND system. Pure storytelling. All you need is some logic and a little literacy.

...and read the wiki, but that's obvious! Haha.

Cheers.

Midgardsormr
11-03-2008, 11:03 AM
Jezelf, try looking at the Flash version. Right-click and choose Zoom In.


Because unlike other GM's my storytelling project, my Roleplay is not based on technical dynamics, dice or a DND system. Pure storytelling. All you need is some logic and a little literacy.


If you'd like some inspiration, I was involved in a freeform game some time ago that blew away everything I'd been involved with previously and remains my standard for excellence: http://www.cityofveils.com/pbem

It was unfortunately very short-lived, but it was a marvelous game. I played Reidjai, if that interests you.

Gowienczyk
11-03-2008, 12:24 PM
Nice to see I'm not the only one who isn't a huge fan of dynamics and technical readouts in my stories. It seems interesting from what I'm skimming, but I'll probably read more later. If you click the link in my signature, you can see Sathis is well on it's way to becoming started.

Ascension
11-03-2008, 05:36 PM
Rules, schmules. I use 'em as guidelines as I don't really feel like rolling dice all night for a battle that, in real life, would take 3 minutes.

Gowienczyk
11-03-2008, 05:42 PM
Rules, schmules. I use 'em as guidelines as I don't really feel like rolling dice all night for a battle that, in real life, would take 3 minutes.

inorite? ;)

joćo paulo
11-08-2008, 11:53 AM
very good
is welcome here man!

CC_JAR
11-09-2008, 02:44 AM
Welcome! I've wanted to learn flash, but mainly for animation.. but I never really thought of using flash for Map making, but it gives me an idea.

I could never do it, b/c I dont know flash, but it would be cool to see an animation on like a world map flowing through time from creation til death and then into an apocalyptic looking world..