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Kuraru
11-29-2008, 07:37 PM
These are maps I made for a timeline project. Essentially the premise is that in our future time travel and teleportation are invented, but the technologies are so dangerous (especcially time travel) that an organisation is created and is recognised worldwide as the sole regulator and protector of these technologies. Neither technology sees any sort of commerical use.

Later, it becomes possible to teleport not only across space and time, but also into other universes. These other universes are not fundamentally different from our own, there's no magic and the Earth is dominated by humans (apart from worlds where Earth is uninhabitable). The difference between each universe is history. At various points in time each world saw slight changes in its history that would later have greater repurcussions for their world, rendering the history of humans on these worlds to be different from our own.

The organisation created to regulate teleportation and time travel technology takes over the regulation of this technology too. Soon, researching this cross-world teleportation technology becomes their primary objective, and they change their name to reflect their current activities. They are now known as the "Institute for the Study of Other Timelines", or ISOT, though they're more commonly refered to as "the Institute".

The Institute's objective is to investigate other worlds and other histories, so that we may learn more about our own history.

At present the 181st timeline discovered by the Institute (known simply as "TL-181") is under going a great deal of investigation. The point at which it diverged from our own history is not known, but it is believed to be between 1100 and 1200. The result is a world not entirely different from our own, but one with distinct differences.

Some of these maps are taken from TL-181 itself, others were made by the Institute to facilitate its research.

There are some maps that are from Tl-181 that I haven't posted here that are on my DeviantArt account ( http://kurarun.deviantart.com/ ). I won't post them here as they were not made using vectors, and so aren't of a very good quality in my opinion.

Here are the three maps I have made for this world so far (that use vectors):

Map 1 - An ISOT textbook page.

This map is from a page in a textbook made by the Institute concerning the history of East Asia in TL-181. The map itself shows the sub-divisions of the Federal Empire of Chugoku, a post-colonial nation that united in times of economic trouble and fear of invasion. United they are now the power in Asia and are quickly industrialising, their progress spurred onwards by post-industrial Europe's ever increasing demands for more imports.

Map 2 - A map of North America (called North Carolina).

A map of North Carolina long after the Spanish colonies on the continent declared independence and other European nations started moving in to take Spain's place, made by the Hamburg Printing Company (considered a reputable and accurate source by the Institute). Germany has gained a foothold on the continent, but Britain is the undisputed master of North Carolina (or at least, it was at the time).

Map 3 - A map of South and Southeast Asia.

Again made by the Hamburg Printing Company, this map demonstrates Germany's and Britain's success in this region. Britain was previously the dominant power in the Indian Ocean, but after the Second Anglo-French War France and Germany have managed to curb Britain's power considerably in the region, to the point where Germany is more often considered India's master than Britain is. France has more than a trifling presence in the region, but their true assets lie elsewhere.


Tell me what you think, comments and criticisms are welcome. I'll update this thread with new maps from TL-181 as I make them.

joão paulo
11-29-2008, 09:12 PM
wow! Kuraru continues with his great project.

ravells
11-29-2008, 09:39 PM
Convincing and really beautiful work. I take my hat off to you!

(and I shall probably steal your style)

Ruedy
11-29-2008, 10:05 PM
Great work!

Is it intended to use a abnormal form for the Flag of the German Empire?
I think you know that the original form of the flag is "black-white-red" from top to bottom.

The flag of the German department of protectorates (Reichskolonialamt):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Reichskolonialflagge.svg/100px-Reichskolonialflagge.svg.png

The mostly form of flags for German Protactorates:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Gouverneurflagge.svg/100px-Gouverneurflagge.svg.png

At the Protactorate-flags normaly it was arranged to use a coat of arm of the protactorate at the place where ist the eagle in my example.
To use the main-flag at the jack is very britsh, but not the german style (beside in war-flags). *g*

It´s simply a friendly advice. :)

Kuraru
12-01-2008, 02:44 PM
wow! Kuraru continues with his great project.
Convincing and really beautiful work. I take my hat off to you!

(and I shall probably steal your style)

Thank you both! :)


Great work!

Is it intended to use a abnormal form for the Flag of the German Empire?
I think you know that the original form of the flag is "black-white-red" from top to bottom.

The flag of the German department of protectorates (Reichskolonialamt):

The mostly form of flags for German Protactorates:

The flag I made to use for the United Kingdom of the German Nation (as it is officially known as in this world) looks rather similar to those you posted. I've attached an image of the flag to this post.


At the Protactorate-flags normaly it was arranged to use a coat of arm of the protactorate at the place where ist the eagle in my example.
To use the main-flag at the jack is very britsh, but not the german style (beside in war-flags). *g*

It´s simply a friendly advice. :)

I expected as such, since the only place I've ever seen that style used is on British colonial flags.

Britain is meant to be more tied with Europe in this world that it is in our timeline, so its influence may mean that other nations, including Germany, adopt their style of colonial flags.

NeonKnight
12-01-2008, 03:31 PM
Wowsers!!!

Ruedy
12-01-2008, 05:19 PM
Thank you both! :)
Britain is meant to be more tied with Europe in this world that it is in our timeline, so its influence may mean that other nations, including Germany, adopt their style of colonial flags.

Ok, it´s a fictionall project, so everything is possible. :)
If it is desirable, I could help with translation for possibly german text-parts.

MarkusTay
12-04-2008, 03:15 PM
I'm a BIG fan of alternate-Earth scenarios, and that is freakin' awesome!

I have an old writing project of my own (that will probably never see fruition) about alternate history, and this just makes me want to get back to that.

Thank you for that --- Mark. :)

Turgenev
12-04-2008, 10:48 PM
I'm also a fan of alternate timelines (I'm a huge H Beam Piper Paratime fan). Great maps! Well done.

Kuraru
12-23-2008, 10:31 PM
I've been working on this map for a couple of weeks, and I've finally gotten it finished on Christmas Eve. I hope you all like it!

This map shows Germany's colonies in Mesocarolina (The Americas are called Carolina in this world, "Meso" just means "Middle" or "Central", so it's central America) and has some information on the demographics of the area. As in our timeline, almost all the native population has been wiped out. As it was Spain (in personal union with Portugal) that first found and colonised the Americas in this world, all of the colonies have hispanic majorities. Germany gained their various colonies through various means across the last two hundred years or so, leading to some colonies having far higher German populations than others.

Whilst it would appear that Germany is the dominant force in the Carribean, Britain has significant holdings in South Carolina (South America) and currently controls the Panama canal (built in 1878 in this timeline). Whilst there have been several proposals to construct a competing canal across Ometepea, no one has been able to find the support and funds to begin such a project, and Britain has inevitably done their best to prevent such an occurance.

Ruedy
12-24-2008, 12:43 AM
Very nice work.

For a realistic german effect, you must write "Demographie". That is the correct spelling in that years.

"Deutschlands Kolonien in Mesocarolina in 1910" must be written "...Mesocarolina im Jahre 1910".

Besides:
"Demographie des Jana-Eilandes" >>> in German everytime with hyphen or connected "Janaeiland(es)".

"Demographie des Kalingoalandes"

"Demographe des Yukalandes"

"Demographie des Zawawalandes"

and

"Andere Europäische"

Only a little help, maybe you take it. :)

Ascension
12-24-2008, 02:02 AM
I love getting fluent speakers to help me with the naming of things instead of relying on the "English to Sanskrit online translator robots".

Ruedy
12-24-2008, 03:35 AM
I love getting fluent speakers to help me with the naming of things instead of relying on the "English to Sanskrit online translator robots".

Oh yes, me too.
For my italian-styled micronation I look for a native speaker since month...

I know the problems of the german speech and sometimes it's a difficult speech for the native speaker too.
The rules are manifold and most of the germans don't know the most of it.

It's typical german to make it more complicated then it must be.
You have one article "the". The germans must have three of it.
The car, the tree, the washing machine
Das Auto (neuter), Der Baum (masculine), Die Waschmaschine (feminine)...
... a washing mashine is feminine? Crazy, now you know, what the germans think about their wifes!

And every substantive big! You see it in my english writing. I do it mostly in english too.

Ok, it's not topic. Sorry...

If anybody wants help with German speech and culture, I'm always responsive!

Kuraru
12-24-2008, 06:14 AM
Very nice work.

Thank you!


For a realistic german effect, you must write "Demographie". That is the correct spelling in that years.

"Deutschlands Kolonien in Mesocarolina in 1910" must be written "...Mesocarolina im Jahre 1910".

Besides:
"Demographie des Jana-Eilandes" >>> in German everytime with hyphen or connected "Janaeiland(es)".

"Demographie des Kalingoalandes"

"Demographe des Yukalandes"

"Demographie des Zawawalandes"

and

"Andere Europäische"

Only a little help, maybe you take it. :)

I find that endlessly asking the few German speaking people I know for various translations can take some time, and it's far easier to just explain any incorrect spelling or grammar by claiming that German evolved differently in this world (which it most certainly did). Also, you failed to notice that "Eiland" isn't actually a German word :P (or, at least, I don't think it is).

Ruedy
12-24-2008, 06:55 AM
Oh, Eiland ist a very German word...;)

In German it exists a very good adage for this situation.
"Wer nicht will, der hat schon."
Who does not want, has already...

I try to avoid helping you in german verbalism. 8)

Steel General
12-24-2008, 10:28 AM
Love the worn, weathered appearance of your maps. Nice job.

wally-d-feed
01-03-2009, 04:01 PM
Großartige Arbeit!

That's a great map. I love your scenario and also I love to see the good old german flag and its original colours represented in it (though its redesigned). It's a shame what the Nazis did to this flag. On the other hand our current flag is much cooler because its originated in the holy roman empire.
long live the kaiser! ;)

Korash
05-18-2009, 09:35 PM
I was thumbing through the Finished thumbnails and saw this. o.O

It looked quite real and had to read what was there...I gotta tell you that I was going "Huh? Chugoku? Was there a brief association after the war?" ie: quite confused.

Really was taken in. Well done. Really like the layout and the write-up.

guyanonymous
05-18-2009, 11:26 PM
What an interesting project.

It allows you to look at how minor/major changes in history might play out. It reminds me of the works of Eric Flint, S M Stirling, and Frank Leonowski.