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industrygothica
12-12-2008, 10:51 AM
For those who have areas with notable details but no maps, I've added the following image to the wiki, along with an "Unmapped Location" category.

Anyone wanting to do a map of an established location can simply click the category and have a list of unmapped locations at their fingertips. You just have to add the category to your wiki pages.

The image is just an attention grabber for those browsing the wiki; if they read something that interests them, maybe they'll want to map it as well, if they know no one is currently working on it.

See Port Magalie (http://cwbp.cartographersguild.com/index.php?title=Port_Magalie) for an example.

http://cwbp.cartographersguild.com/images/b/ba/Available.jpg

Redrobes
12-12-2008, 05:40 PM
Thats a good idea and well done for still maintaining and pushing our CWBP. Some rep heading your way...

ravells
12-13-2008, 09:19 PM
Brilliant idea IG - I'm really glad you're working on the CWBP . Please go to the beastlands page and make it look better, I had a go, but I've made a bit of a mess of it.

cheers

Ravs

industrygothica
12-14-2008, 07:20 AM
Brilliant idea IG - I'm really glad you're working on the CWBP . Please go to the beastlands page and make it look better, I had a go, but I've made a bit of a mess of it.

cheers

Ravs

This (http://cwbp.cartographersguild.com/index.php?title=The_Beastlands) better? Hmm.. I wonder what 12rounds could do with a centaur?

In any case, I hope that's better for you. I think you owe us a new city somewhere in the CWBP now. ;)

I'll pick for you if you like... we'll call it a challenge. >:)

ravells
12-14-2008, 11:00 AM
MUCH better....thanks for fixing it, IG!

Not sure if I've got the time to make a city, but why don't you pick one and I'll give it a go!

industrygothica
12-14-2008, 11:36 AM
MUCH better....thanks for fixing it, IG!

Not sure if I've got the time to make a city, but why don't you pick one and I'll give it a go!

I was hoping you'd take that...

I was originally going to pick something from The Thanelands of Skolvendun, but then I realized that you've already done a city there. We need to get those into the wiki, btw.

So let's try the other side of Ansium...

Kirthai, Mythkhardia (area 29 by jezelf). There's no history there that I can find, so it looks like you'll have free reign there.

Thanks for picking up my thrown gauntlet. Might have to toss a few more of them around. Things are too quiet in the CWBP.

ravells
12-14-2008, 11:41 AM
Cheers, I'll take a look and get started.

industrygothica
02-20-2009, 08:41 PM
Since I can't, would a CL change the title of this thread to something more appropriate for general Wiki updates?

And on that note, I've done a little work on the Beastlands, et al.

Added Fort Lost and Lake Festus; both still need tons of information, for those willing.

I also linked up Farpoint to the main Beastlands wiki page, as it should have been from the beginning.. guess that was my fault, but it's done now. Beautiful map, Farpoint... it also needs more information. Way to good to let stagnate.

Seems like there was more, but I can't remember it now.

My hope is that that a general "State of the Wiki" thing here might inspire people to take a look and maybe contribute something.


-IG

Steel General
02-20-2009, 08:57 PM
If you're feeling really ambitious IG, the pantheon pages could be reformatted. I've been meaning to do it, but haven't found the time as of yet. :)

Ascension
02-20-2009, 08:59 PM
I keep thinking that I should go back and redo Farpoint because I've learned so much since then. Thanks IG for the kind words :)

industrygothica
02-21-2009, 01:59 PM
If you're feeling really ambitious IG, the pantheon pages could be reformatted. I've been meaning to do it, but haven't found the time as of yet. :)

To be honest, I've intentionally stayed away from the pantheon, other than categorizing them and linking them appropriately where needed. With that statement, I suppose I'll tell you why now.

First, a preface: I think your work in this pantheon is amazingly detailed and complete. As far as pantheons go, as best I can tell, it's just as good as any published pantheon I've seen. In all fairness, however, gods and religions are something that I've never really concerned myself with in any games I've run.

This is strictly my personal opinion, but I'm not convinced that the CWBP needs a designated pantheon. Our original goal here was to make this world system agnostic, meaning you could incorporate it into any fantasy setting you want. That any part of the CWBP world is tied to a specific deity (such as the relationship of Akron with Aldamar), to me, is counterproductive to that goal. If I wanted to use Ansium in a typical D&D 4e game with a standard pantheon, I'd first have to research Aldamar in the CWBP Pantheon to find a suitable alternative in the core D&D product. Not that it's impossible, but I think it'd be much easier to say that the people of Raedis revere a deity devoted to justice and law rather than assigning a specific deity (I think that'd be Erathis in 4e, btw - but a far cry from Pelor, who is probably assumed the 'head deity in 4e, like Aldamar in your pantheon).

That being said, I completely agree with having a standard pantheon for use in the CWBP for those who want an alternative to the default for whatever setting they're using. If you look at the entry I made for Lhessadrak (http://cwbp.cartographersguild.com/index.php?title=Lhessadrak), you'll notice a "see also" section in which I mentioned that Dyrge would be a good choice for a DM wishing to use the CWBP pantheon, but didn't include any specific references in the body of the page. I think that anyone incorporating Lhessadrak into a 4e game will automatically see Vecna, while anyone wanting something a bit different will be thankful for the Dyrge reference. Again, just my opinion.

My job, however, is not to realign the CWBP to how *I* think it should be, but to make it a cohesive unit all the way around. If people want to designate a specific deity to a region, then I can't veto that decision.

Now on to your original request: reformatting the CWBP pantheon. If I were to do it, this is what I'd do:

I would remove the specific 3e/3.5e elements, ie: portfolio, cleric alignments, and favored weapons.

I would re-work the deities' alignment to something a little more generic (good, evil, none). I'm not familiar with any system other than D&D, so I'm not sure if the law/chaos axis is common in most other systems or not.

I would roll the portfolios and domains into a single "areas of influence" section.

Lastly, I think the list should be pruned a bit. That's just a lot of freakin' gods. That's one of the things I hated about 3e Forgotten Realms... just too many.

In short, I'd turn them all into 4e deities, where a single paragraph provides the same usable information as the big 3e table, without all the extras. (What, exactly, is a dogma, anyway?)

I hope that at least some of this post makes sense. And I certainly hope nobody was offended by it, as it certainly wasn't intended as a knock on your work. If I were looking for a 3e pantheon to use in my own campaign, I'd certainly snag yours up in a heartbeat.


-IG

ravells
02-21-2009, 03:57 PM
Wow IG! I'm just so glad that you're working on it and giving it so much thought!

Steel General
02-21-2009, 05:33 PM
@IG - I understand where you're coming from. I wasn't asking you to rewrite any of it.
I only asked because you seem to be a real wiz at the WIKI stuff. When I first put them out there I just copy/pasted HTML code and haven't touched them since.

I will definitely take your suggestions in mind if/when I get around to re-doing them.

industrygothica
02-21-2009, 08:50 PM
@IG - I understand where you're coming from. I wasn't asking you to rewrite any of it.
I only asked because you seem to be a real wiz at the WIKI stuff. When I first put them out there I just copy/pasted HTML code and haven't touched them since.

I will definitely take your suggestions in mind if/when I get around to re-doing them.

Eh, I don't know about a wiz.. To be honest, I've never edited a wiki before in my life before I started messing with the CWBP. Personally, I think the tables that are there now are perfectly fine with the information that you're presenting. Don't think I'd change anything, personally. Did you have something specific in mind?


-IG

Steel General
02-21-2009, 09:07 PM
No nothing specific.

It's not a big deal really, it's fine as is, just thought they could use a bit of 'sprucing up'. :)