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jfrazierjr
12-14-2008, 02:25 PM
I would be interested if anyone knows where to find some free for personal use fantasy city/towers/etc icons in png format.

Alternately, or in addition, I would love to have someone (Torstan??) do a tutorial with a few different examples in GIMP, Inkscape, or some other free based software.

Steel General
12-14-2008, 05:02 PM
You could try Dundjinni (if you haven't already), they may have some.

Midgardsormr
12-14-2008, 06:08 PM
I posted a couple in my Randland WIP thread just last night. I might be persuaded to make some more to spec Thursday or Friday. Did you have a particular style in mind?

jfrazierjr
12-14-2008, 08:03 PM
I posted a couple in my Randland WIP thread just last night. I might be persuaded to make some more to spec Thursday or Friday. Did you have a particular style in mind?


Well.. I am looking for stuff like the below, which come from Fractal Mapper. I will be using some of these for this (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=3653) map(and eventually, it's replacement). The symbols at the top are Fractal Mappers native format while the ones at the bottom are the bmp symbols built into FM8. I would like to have more examples that represent a walled city. I think what I am going to end up doing is using the referenced map at the start of a new campaign in which the heroes and everyone they know have been underground(in a Dwarven stronghold) for centuries (or perhaps a few millennium) after some cataclysm up on the surface world. This map will present the region at the time of the event, so it is woefully out of date by the time the heroes eventually venture topside. Of course.... the topside cities are all in ruins now and the landscape has changed quite a bit.

Midgardsormr
12-14-2008, 09:27 PM
I think that's doable, and it would be a good resource to have here. I'll see if I can't knock out a few once my classes are done.

Steel General
12-15-2008, 06:48 AM
I just remembered that I had used some building from the CivFanatics (http://www.civfanatics.com) forum on this map here (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=3650) (just to see how they would work), you may want to check some of those out.

jfrazierjr
12-15-2008, 09:55 AM
I just remembered that I had used some building from the CivFanatics (http://www.civfanatics.com) forum on this map here (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=3650) (just to see how they would work), you may want to check some of those out.

Yea.. I just noticed the finished map you posted up and your reply here. I went over there, and while there are some fantastic models, they are really not in a format I can use naively. Is there some type of utility that somewhere that will convert them to png that I have not found yet? Also, I am a bit leary of stuff like this since I don't see any specific licensing information(of course, this will just be for personal use, but I want to make sure to follow any restrictions the original author has.)

torstan
12-15-2008, 10:59 AM
Without a working laptop I'm afraid I'm not going to be much use. I'll certainly be following this thread - and I'd love to see more of Midgarsomer's icons. I still haven't managed to really get isometric cities that I like and read well at small scales.

jfrazierjr
12-15-2008, 11:08 AM
Without a working laptop I'm afraid I'm not going to be much use. I'll certainly be following this thread - and I'd love to see more of Midgarsomer's icons. I still haven't managed to really get isometric cities that I like and read well at small scales.

Bummer about the laptop.... do you think you will have something before year end? I know you mentioned somewhere that you were heading out of the US soon, and were not sure if you would have time to pick up a new computer before you headed out or not.

Anyway, I think the ISO icons you did for your Map of Dolmen Isle WIP map were really good, which is part of the reason I had the idea in the first place. I understand what your saying about scale, but color can help this immensely, especially if the original is drawn at a nice resolution to begin with. I know a problem I have been having is line thickness as this is part of the reason I posted up this thread in the first place(and the lack of any resources easily available for this type of thing) since my first tests really just blew chunks.......

torstan
12-15-2008, 11:29 AM
Yep, colour makes a huge difference here. I'd suggest not doing line drawings at all for the buildings as the line thickness is likely to turn them all black for any reasonable level of detail. In which case a light grey band for the city wall with some red/orange rooftops and maybe a wisp of smoke should cover the sense of a walled city. FOr higher resolution,. perhaps some light line work would help.

As for the laptop - my old one has some form of warranty still in place so I'm going to try to get it fixed. Until I determine that there's really no point in buying a new one - especially not before Christmas. So as much as I want a new laptop - and that really shouldn't be underestimated! - I certainly can't justify buying one before January.

jfrazierjr
12-15-2008, 11:43 AM
As for the laptop - my old one has some form of warranty still in place so I'm going to try to get it fixed. Until I determine that there's really no point in buying a new one - especially not before Christmas. So as much as I want a new laptop - and that really shouldn't be underestimated! - I certainly can't justify buying one before January.


ugh... you know it will most likely take 4-(or more) weeks to get a repaired machine back right? You also know we can't wait that long to see more of your great work!

torstan
12-15-2008, 12:07 PM
Yep, at least. HP only repairs my laptop in the UK and I'm only in the UK until early January. Odds of me getting the laptop beck before I get on a plane? Small to none I'd have thought, so I'm going to have to wait until family and friends come over later in the month to get it back. Hardware failure sucks.

I may just break and buy a new one in early January anyway. My current machine is a little on the under-specced side for my current needs.

Apologies for derailing the thread. As soon as I have some form of machine I can work on, I'll have a shot at some basic iso symbols.

Steel General
12-15-2008, 01:12 PM
Yea.. I just noticed the finished map you posted up and your reply here. I went over there, and while there are some fantastic models, they are really not in a format I can use naively. Is there some type of utility that somewhere that will convert them to png that I have not found yet?

I would think that any graphics program can handles the .PCXs. The ones I had used on that map I edited on my own. Some are easy to do (Civ uses a basic magenta as its transparency so the .pcx files with that color background are a breeze), the others are a result of careful color selection and deleting.

As for the licensing, I found some posts related to the Creative Commons licensing, but nothing absolutely definitive, so I would think its OK to use them for non-commercial puposes.

RobA
12-15-2008, 01:57 PM
I know Nicu's inkscape gallery (http://clipart.nicubunu.ro/?gallery=rpg_map) has been linked before, but I'll include it again for you!

-Rob A>

jfrazierjr
12-15-2008, 03:02 PM
I know Nicu's inkscape gallery (http://clipart.nicubunu.ro/?gallery=rpg_map) has been linked before, but I'll include it again for you!

-Rob A>


Thanks a ton Rob! Those are great. At least for the map I am work on right now, I prefer something like this with limited colors to something like on the Civ forums which has tons of shading, so this will be a great help also. I had even thought about taking a spin in Inkscape to see what I could come up with and I will most likely end up with an amalgamation of symbols from several sources for my final map.

Ascension
12-15-2008, 04:31 PM
For those Civ icons, buildings, terrain, etc I use PakBuild to extract the pac files (sort of like zip files). Then I use NifSkope to view the 3d images...it's mainly a viewer (camera angles, zoom, etc) with some very minor editing capabilities. For making skins for said models I just use Photoshop. Pakbuild is a lil wonky and counter-intuitive but it works just fine once you figure it out. And for some reason Pakbuild seems to only work for the Civ stuff, it doesn't work with other games that use pak files...much to my dismay. I hear that it can be used for those Doom-type first-person shoot-em-ups but I can't remember which ones...it was a long time ago when I stumbled across that forum and the link.

jfrazierjr
12-15-2008, 04:54 PM
I would think that any graphics program can handles the .PCXs. The ones I had used on that map I edited on my own. Some are easy to do (Civ uses a basic magenta as its transparency so the .pcx files with that color background are a breeze), the others are a result of careful color selection and deleting.

As for the licensing, I found some posts related to the Creative Commons licensing, but nothing absolutely definitive, so I would think its OK to use them for non-commercial puposes.
Thats odd... the ones I downloaded were .dds and .nif files for each "building", and GIMP did not know what to do with either of those...

Sagenlicht
12-15-2008, 05:30 PM
hmm can you use those Civ icons for free or are they more less for personal use only?

Could you give me a link to such a file JF? That site is loading a bit slow for me...

Steel General
12-15-2008, 05:47 PM
Try going to the download forums (http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php), the ones I used were from the Civ III section.

jfrazierjr
12-15-2008, 06:29 PM
hmm can you use those Civ icons for free or are they more less for personal use only?

Could you give me a link to such a file JF? That site is loading a bit slow for me...

Here is one that I kind of liked with some temple/castle type buildings for various cultures....

http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=11128

Based on something Ascension said in another thread, I found and downloaded NifScope, but there does not seem to be a way to export from that app to PNG, so I am not really sure what to do from here.....

Steel General
12-15-2008, 07:44 PM
JFjr. - Try the Civ III downloads section those are Civ IV files - a whole different animal.

Midgardsormr
12-15-2008, 11:59 PM
I copied a castle from that contact sheet you provided. Here are two different styles of that image:

Steel General
12-16-2008, 07:05 AM
Nice - I like the one with the more defined lines better, but depending on the map either would be useful.

Ascension
12-16-2008, 05:01 PM
About that NifSkope exporting...first I change the background to some odd color, usually a pinkish magenta, then screenshot the view I like and in Photoshop use the magic wand (or select by color range) on the background to select everything "not part of the object" then delete and save however.