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Gandwarf
01-06-2009, 06:40 PM
Concetron is the capital of my fantasy world and it was the first city map I created with City Designer 3 (and I actually think it was the first city map I *ever* did). I think I improved my skills the last few months by creating dozens of maps and I wanted to do a new version of Concetron. Below you'll see the first version and my latest attempt. This map took 30+ hours to create and right now I think I will scream if I have to place another house or field :)

Backstory
Concetron is the capital in the world called The Valley, which for centuries has been ruled by very powerful and sadistic wizards. After years of wars, famine and abuse a revolution spread across the land. Concetron was the first of the great cities to fall to a host of revolutionists. The wizard ruler Téodan was betrayed by his own guards, who in fear of a revolt in the city itself, opened the gates to the host outside.

Nowadays Concetron is the government seat of the Alliance, an organisation that rules most of the Valley. It was raised from the ashes of the revolution. The palace were the wizards once lived is now occupied by the Alliance regent.

Concetron is not Valley's most populous city, but the city and surrounding villages still contain over 30.000 inhabitants. The canals and walls were once pet projects of the wizards who ruled there and they employed thousands of slaves to create them. The canal was supposed to run to Ravenburcht, but was never finished.

There is a large merchant class in the city and they are very influential, controlling almost all the trade and business in the northern part of the Valley. The Rats Quarter is basically the slums and it has grown to its current size of the years. The merchants would like nothing better then to see the Rats Quarter destroyed, but the Alliance know that they would face a revolt if they tried to displace the people there. There's still a lot of conflict in the Valley and refugees are flocking to the north, making the Alliance even more hesistant.

Hoel
01-06-2009, 07:23 PM
Nice. I see you put up the gatehouse, and another fortress on the hill.
I think you might be the best CD mapper around

Gandwarf
01-06-2009, 07:25 PM
Nice. I see you put up the gatehouse, and another fortress on the hill.
I think you might be the best CD mapper around

I don't think I am the best CD mapper around, but thanks for the compliment.

The water around the keep was something you made me think of, because of a reply in the Westdiep thread. It should be well defendable :)

Nomadic
01-06-2009, 07:59 PM
The water in the city like that reminds me of some of the places in The Netherlands (like Leiden).

Steel General
01-06-2009, 08:07 PM
Very nice Gandwarf!

Love the new version, especially when you compare it to the original, it seems much more natural.

Gandwarf
01-06-2009, 08:09 PM
The water in the city like that reminds me of some of the places in The Netherlands (like Leiden).

Yeah, that's not entirely a coincidence. Concetron has similarities with Amsterdam, our capital. I used some of the concepts of that city to design Concetron.

Actually, the Valley resembles the Netherlands a bit as well. Most of the land is settled and there's lots of farmland. My fantasy is limited to what I have seen in my life :)

Gandwarf
01-06-2009, 08:17 PM
Very nice Gandwarf!

Love the new version, especially when you compare it to the original, it seems much more natural.

Thanks SG. As you can see I dropped the red labels, mostly because of your post in the WIP thread :)

zKaZy
06-25-2009, 01:33 PM
wow your work is very good my friend
this is a beutiful map

tellius
07-01-2009, 04:38 AM
Beautiful work as always Gandwarf.

Can I ask how you did the Quarry and the hill that the Castle is on in CD3. I have been trying to emulate the style and haven't quite nailed it as well as you and would love to know how you did it (if you don't mind sharing that is)! :)

Gandwarf
07-01-2009, 08:34 AM
I am willing to share...
Haven't touched CC3 in a few months though and I would need to write it out. I will see what I can do.

Gandwarf
07-01-2009, 04:55 PM
It's your lucky day. I created a tutorial for the Concetron cliffs. These cliffs can also be used to create a quarry, although I don't explain this in the tutorial. The tutorial teaches you to create this effect (see screenshot).

The tutorial PDF contains 14 pages, but don't be discouraged by it. It's a step by step tutorial with a lot of images.

tellius
07-02-2009, 04:33 AM
It is my lucky day indeedly. Thanks again Gandwarf! :)

geoff_nunn
03-04-2010, 10:20 PM
Hey Gandwarf, I've been thinking about picking up a copy of CC3 and City Designer, because large city maps are currently the bane of my GM existence. I had the opportunity to play around with CC3 on a friend's computer, and I really liked the sheets system and the fractal tools, but noticed the layers would pop out of sync on occasion and when lots of things were overlapping, the select tool would start to get glitchy. I was only working with the basic CC3 and was making an attempt at a pretty sizeable region map, so it may have been the resource load on my computer... What do you feel the advantages are to CC3 with City Designer over something like Gimp? I don't want to spend the almost $70 to get both unless I'm sure that I'll use it.

Gandwarf
03-05-2010, 01:00 PM
City Designer can become sluggish when working on larger cities, unfortunately. It's bearable though. The big advantage is that City Designer was specifically created for people who want to design cities. So it comes with a lot of tools and graphics which can be immediately used to create a city. With City Designer it's possible to create a decent looking city map within 30 minutes. You need to be very good with Gimp to get similar results. Of course, once you get good skills at Photoshop or Gimp the possibilities are nearly limitless! I never regretted buying CC3 and City Designer however and I can certainly recommend it.

Did you already check my tutorials to get some idea how the software works?

decryptix
08-29-2010, 04:19 PM
Gandwarf, your work is absolutely amazing. Having just found the time to start tinkering with this software I've had for over a year now, I've come to appreciate the colossal amount of work and patience these maps require.

If I might ask a question - how long did something of this scale take you to create? I've taken on the challenge of my games GM to do up the map for the central city in the game, and the example maps he's given me are fairly tremendous and high in detail. Not that I'm balking at such a task, I certainly relish it, but I understand the immensity some of these maps can become. I've got your tutorials downloading as I speak and will blast through them so I can put together a city worthy of them.

Also, what map sizes do you typically use for something this big? I'm having a hard time getting a grasp of what's a good size to use for something like this.

Appreciate the assistance both in form of reply and in tutorials. Once more, absolutely amazing work and you deserve that award in every respect.

Cheers!

Gandwarf
08-29-2010, 05:22 PM
Hi decryptix,

Thanks for your comment.
This map took a long time, about 30 - 40 hours or so.

As for sizes... we all know size doesn't matter ;)
But seriously, I started this map on the default size and finished with it I think. If you ever run out of room, just remove the map border and you can expand as much as you like. That's the joy of City Designer 3, it's not a set canvas. You can keep expanding.

Good luck with the tutorials.

mearrin69
08-29-2010, 06:05 PM
I never noticed this tutorial before...always wanted to know how CD3 worked. Thanks!
M

landorl
08-29-2010, 11:11 PM
How did you do the output?
I have tried to save from CD3 as a JPG, but get some weird results. I have also printed as a JPG, but get some fuzziness.

decryptix
08-30-2010, 12:56 AM
Thanks for you response Gandwarf!

I figured about 50-60, which is likely more realistic for myself given my relative inexperience with the program, so it's nice to know I wasn't too far off.

I still haven't figured out scaling and the like and I've done a few small sections of the world map already, perhaps I should look into that.

Thanks for the information and keep up the fantastic work!

Gandwarf
08-30-2010, 03:32 PM
How did you do the output?
I have tried to save from CD3 as a JPG, but get some weird results. I have also printed as a JPG, but get some fuzziness.

I used PDF creator to print the map and save as JPG.
Saving such a large map from City Designer 3 would always make it crash.

landorl
08-30-2010, 07:18 PM
I'll try that!