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landorl
02-10-2009, 11:42 PM
OK, I am taking a short break from town mapping since I am kind of stuck, and will resume working on the rest of my world.

This is the Northern Wilderness, and I am just getting started, so this is a bit of a teaser map. I may have to do my forests differently since they cover the majority of this map.

bartmoss
02-10-2009, 11:49 PM
Very nice. *goes off to sit in a corner to reconsider how he is doing his own maps*

Hoel
02-11-2009, 06:37 AM
The forests looks really good but I think they could use a bit of sat/hue noise.
The mountains are spectacular!
You've got a bit of a sharp cut off to the west, but I think you know it.

Morkhdull
02-11-2009, 07:50 AM
WHAAAAAA"nderfull ! ! !
I really love the way you rise mountains (and by the way, I'm dreaming to know the secrets held behind)

BRAVO !

Eilathen
02-11-2009, 08:01 AM
Yes, finally ;) ... i was looking forward to more from this project. And the northern wilderness was one i was especially looking forward to ^^

Looks good so far. I'm curious to see how this one turns out.

Steel General
02-11-2009, 08:11 AM
Great start! The mountains are indeed fantastic. I think all the forests need is something to give them "depth" (for lack of a better word), they seem kind of flat.

The red text in the 'south' is extremely difficult to read, but that may be due to resolution issues. The label accross the mountains in the south needs something to make it stand out a bit more, it's getting lost. I nfact I missed it entirely the first time I looked at the map.

Look forward to seeing how this turns out.

Vandy
02-11-2009, 08:13 AM
Hi, landorl.

Just wanted to make a quick comment on your "teaser" map. It is very nice. I really like your mountains. Care to share how you made them.

It might be nice to give your forests a bit of "depth" -- that is, a small bevel? in order to raise them a bit off the ground.

I look forward to your continued development of what is going to be a really excellent map.

Regards,

Gary

Garanth
02-11-2009, 12:32 PM
another request for the method behind those mountains :P

Teaser map is looking great though, keep it up

torstan
02-11-2009, 12:40 PM
Very nice, definitely keen to see how this turns out. I agree the forests need a bit of colour variation - though the overall style is really good. The labelling of the southern mountains definitely needs a bit of a change to pull it out of the background. Great stuff.

Karro
02-11-2009, 01:25 PM
It looks great, so far, and I agree with the others on some of the points of constructive criticism, so I have nothing new to add but additional encouragement.

landorl
02-11-2009, 01:43 PM
What I did was take the northern part of my "The Kingdoms" map and use that as the base for this map. That map was done in a slightly different scale, so the text doesn't show up quite as well on this map. I will redo all of the text.

As for the mountains, it is a pretty simple process in Photoshop. I set up three different layers. The first layer was for the foothills. I set the style to bevel with a pattern that I thought looked good for the hills. Then I used a brush with a rough shape and set the spacing and scattering fairly high and brushed away. I also set the Advanced Blending (In the Blending Options tab) to 0%. That allows the background colors to come through.

I then did a layer for the lower mountains using a similar style, but I set the bevel to use a chisel soft function, and used a brush with a little less scatter and spacing.

I then did a third layer for higher mountains, but set it with a light gray fill to represent snowcapped mountains.

Ascension
02-11-2009, 06:18 PM
Interesting techniques...I'll have to give this a go. I've been wondering about how to go a step further on my mountains for a while now.

landorl
02-13-2009, 11:35 AM
Ok, a bit of an update.

I have most of the land (except for some islands), the mountains and rivers complete. Now I just need to work on the woodlands.

On this map I have hidden the forest and text layer. I will put them back for the next post.

landorl
02-13-2009, 11:39 AM
Oh, one more thing, I have a question... If you notice the northern part of the map, I have those two major river systems draining into that bay in the north. In my world history, that bay was formed by a major earthquake about 10,000 years ago. It caused a ridge of highlands to raise up in the central part of the wilderness, forcing all of the northern rivers to drain into the newly formed bay.

My question is, does it look possible? If you notice, there are a few points on the rivers where they flow almost in a full circle around some highlands.

I just want to make sure that I don't have any major river violations (I hate those!)

Feralspirit
02-13-2009, 12:02 PM
I'm looking at the northern drainage system and don't think it's "technically" incorrect. It does look a little odd (referring to the close knit drainage divides), but that's just personal taste, a matter of asthetics. Of course, I'm not river police so...

Nice work, btw.

bartmoss
02-13-2009, 12:12 PM
Good catch - from the current map it looks like they flow uphill and then into the northern bay. Since they are surrounded by hills, they'd form a lake instead, which would then overflow somewhere, and it looks to me like this should be towards the south.

You also have a great number of rivers there, so there needs to be a great deal of rain. Since the area is almost entirely encircled by mountains my guess would be that the prevailing winds come from the east. Even so there's some mountains in the way. The landmass probably acts as a low pressure area in the summer, drawing in air from the sea to the east. In the winter, the low pressure area moves south and colder air streams in across the mountains to the north; winters might be cold but fairly dry. This is just a rough guess, I have no special qualifications on the topic, my point is that you may not end up with enough rain to feed this many rivers.

What I'd do is remove the northeastern of the two river systems, or at least only have some minor rivers there. Have the northwestern one feed into a lake, and then flow into the big river to the south, the one that eventually returns to the east. Essentially, the area would be drained by one large river system.

Karro
02-13-2009, 12:25 PM
What I'd do is remove the northeastern of the two river systems, or at least only have some minor rivers there. Have the northwestern one feed into a lake, and then flow into the big river to the south, the one that eventually returns to the east. Essentially, the area would be drained by one large river system.

Hmm. I don't think it's possible for either of the northern rivers to flow into the southern river that drains to the east. He's got a lot of hills and highlands dividing the two drainage systems, so short of water flowing uphill after it's made it to lower lands, there'd be no way for the two systems to connect.

Good point about the rainfall, though, I think. Thus ringed by mountains, this place likely would be relatively dry. On the other hand, I think it would be possible to come up with a plausible reason for increased rainfall in this system. If we did have some of those rivers pooling up into a great lake or an inland sea, the additional water becomes part a semi-closed system, with the rivers being replenished by water evaporated from the inland sea and, say, a few ancient glaciers slowly melting.

Feralspirit
02-13-2009, 01:31 PM
Overall impression, it does seem very wet. However, I have only small knowledge of meteorology. Diagram I have of earth wind patterns show westerlies between from 30 degrees latitude to the poles. (Not sure if I can post it here, so I won't, easy to find though.)

Below is your map with what appears to be drainage divides currently defined. There are some questionable areas, but I didn't find anything impossible, with the exception of circled area in NE corner. I don't know if that's possible or not, but I don't like them appearing on my maps.

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bartmoss
02-13-2009, 02:27 PM
Hmm. I don't think it's possible for either of the northern rivers to flow into the southern river that drains to the east. He's got a lot of hills and highlands dividing the two drainage systems, so short of water flowing uphill after it's made it to lower lands, there'd be no way for the two systems to connect.

Hence my proposal of the lake, which would then overflow to the south.


Good point about the rainfall, though, I think. Thus ringed by mountains, this place likely would be relatively dry. On the other hand, I think it would be possible to come up with a plausible reason for increased rainfall in this system. If we did have some of those rivers pooling up into a great lake or an inland sea, the additional water becomes part a semi-closed system, with the rivers being replenished by water evaporated from the inland sea and, say, a few ancient glaciers slowly melting.

Yeah the lake would help. I honestly am not sure it would be enough, but I am also thinking it depends on the prevailing weather in the area. After all, the east is kind of open, and could allow a lot of water-bearing air to move in, especially if the local water to the east is relatively cold.

Karro
02-13-2009, 03:00 PM
Hence my proposal of the lake, which would then overflow to the south.



Yeah the lake would help. I honestly am not sure it would be enough, but I am also thinking it depends on the prevailing weather in the area. After all, the east is kind of open, and could allow a lot of water-bearing air to move in, especially if the local water to the east is relatively cold.

Hmm. That would be a very large lake. And I'm not entirely sure it would easily drain to the south - that's a massive amount of water to accumulate over time.

Landorl, I see the problem, now. The north-east river drainage looks odd because it appears the river is going through the mountains to reach the large bay (same with the river oulet on the west side of the bay).

If that area where the two rivers are draining is legitimately lower ground, and drainage can occur there, then that's fine, but it does look a little odd. If the geological features of this are were caused by an earthquake, and at one point the entire area was highlands, then at some point in the past much of the norther area might possibly have been underwater as rivers coming down from the various mountain accumulated in the bowl of lowlands. Over time, I'm not sure where this would have drained to.

Ascension
02-13-2009, 05:18 PM
You said that the bay was formed by an earthquake that forced up the crescent shaped mountains in the middle there. This would imply that the bay was not there before the earthquake, right? As such the rivers would have been flowing south (probably southwest IMO) before said quake. In order to get the rivers to flow into the newly created bay and still be plausible, the whole middle section of the continent would have to have been raised in order to force them there OR they'd have to be flowing into the fault zone cracks OR said area would have to have been lowered while leaving the mountains in place. I'm just a river deputy so my 2 cents would be to either flatten that crescent mountain shape into hills, cut back some of the crescent mountains to form some drainage lanes, or move that section further south with some lowlands emptying into the bay. This is more of a question for the geologists, though, so I could be way off.

landorl
02-13-2009, 06:00 PM
I kind of like the idea of a lake in that area. I have added one, and am posting the results.

The bay that was formed was by an unnatural (magically induced) earthquake. It was during the age that the gods still walked the land, and during a war, a star from the heavens was called down (meteor), and it struck in the mountains here, which cracked the earth and shook the world.

The area between the north and southern mountains is very much like a high plateau similar to what could be found in the western U.S. between the Rocky Mountains and the Sierra Nevadas. It slowly rises from the east to the west.

The mountains that are in the east are only about 2-5,000 feet tall, where as the mountains on the west (just off of the map) are about 10 - 25,000 feet tall.

The northern mountains are in the 8-14,000 range, while the southern ones are in the 6-10,000 range.

The area where the two rivers drain from quickly drop from an average height of 1,000 feet to feed through two canyons (fracture lines) into the bay. The mountains on the south side of the bay were thrust there by the impact of the meteor, and they are fairly steep, but only run from about 2-7,000 feet in height.

Without doing a height scale map, it is hard to show how the land drops along the two gaps, but I am not very good at doing the height maps, and am too impatient to work at it! I will try to do that after I get the first set of maps done.

landorl
02-14-2009, 10:15 PM
Another new update.

I have made many of the waterways in the west more intermittent streams to indicate that the west is drier than the east.

I have also tried something a little different for the woodlands. I don't have all of the woodlands drawn in yet, but I am getting closer. Still not sure if I like it though because it obscures the highlands so much. I may have to show both maps so that the differences will be seen.

bartmoss
02-15-2009, 04:37 AM
The forests look nice.

I like the additions of the lake, but the northn bay problem still exists. Also, it does look like the western river "splits" up and flows both towards the bay, and the lake, and that's not gonna happen.

Karro
02-16-2009, 10:18 AM
The forests look nice.

I like the additions of the lake, but the northn bay problem still exists. Also, it does look like the western river "splits" up and flows both towards the bay, and the lake, and that's not gonna happen.

I'm confused; I'm not sure how you see that. I see a lot of rivers flowing into the lake, then a river flowing out of the lake into the bay, with a few more rivers joining this outflowing river along the way.

landorl
02-16-2009, 04:01 PM
I see what he is talking about. There is a river and a small lake that runs from the north of the main river, and appears to run towards the lake, and meet the river there. I need to change the way it meets the main river.

Also, I am working on making the mountains on the south side of the bay look much smaller.