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dolenore
03-14-2009, 01:11 AM
This request is old; originally posted in March of 2009. Rather than start a new request, I decided to resurrect this one and update the information as needed.

time constraints: none. The project is something I want to get done, but not something with a set timeline for completion.

style: I would prefer more earth-toned styles. I also really love Ascension's Atlas (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?4084-Award-Winner-My-atlas-style-in-PS) and ravell's newest style (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?16888-Fast-Continent).

description of map: This will be the primary campaign setting map for a homebrew game. I have specific details only for a region of one continent approximately the size of the USA east of the Mississippi River, though I would like at least the remainder of the continent mapped out. Additional landmasses are optional but should be either uninhabited or on par with my campaign area. The map should be editable as cities, national borders and other man-made features are in constant fluid flux from one game to the next. Alternately, it should be unlabeled entirely.

quality and size: Obviously the nicer the better, but professional quality is not absolutely essential at this stage. As I said above, the size can vary from one continent to the full planet map.

copyright: I would like to retain the copyright of the map. The style is free to be used again and I would be thrilled if the map was displayed in you portfolio, so long as the right to make money from it remains mine. I don't expect to sell the material, but you never know. Some day down the line there might be enough to publish. One can dream.

Steel General
03-14-2009, 09:43 AM
Just as a suggestion since, you might look thru the finished maps & monthly challenge archive forums and see if a style there particularly catches your eye and contact that person (though you do need at least 5 posts before you can send a PM).

dolenore
03-14-2009, 05:43 PM
Thanks for the heads up (both about the PM and the post count requirement). I appreciate it.

ravells
03-14-2009, 06:56 PM
And check out the tutorials too. If you really want to make maps of that style, all the information is here to do that. Best of luck on your project!

dolenore
04-04-2009, 12:08 AM
I thought I would share my latest attempt with everyone, especially since a few people offered advice.

This map was made in CC3 using a combination of the April 2009 Cartographer's Annual settings, photshop tweaking and a few pieces of various tutorials I found fascinating (especially the atlas style tutorial by Ascension).

It is close to what I had hoped for, so I present it for the community to offer specific advice (such as rivers that don't make sense, or other wisdom I overlooked).

Ascension
04-04-2009, 12:34 AM
So far so good I'd say. The only thing you might think about changing are some of the names...very David Eddings with Boktaria, Thraga and Goska. Which reminds me, I've got some memories to catch up on.

Naeddyr
04-04-2009, 05:14 AM
So far so good I'd say. The only thing you might think about changing are some of the names...very David Eddings with Boktaria, Thraga and Goska. Which reminds me, I've got some memories to catch up on.

I think the names are fine, though they are a bit less exotic than they could be. (Linguist here, I should some day write a tutorial on how to make a really exotic naming language...) !pq?aB, anyone? Except for ? that stands for a similar looking sign, this is valid IPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipa). :D A naming lang would presumably only require a phonology and a few bits of morphology, not much else. But then again, those are pretty big things to learn. Ah, and of course transcription. There's an art to this kind of stuff.

Ascension
04-04-2009, 03:46 PM
I think that would be a great idea Nae...a lot of us struggle with trying to come up with names that don't sound derivative of Tolkein or others.

dolenore
04-04-2009, 06:42 PM
(Linguist here, I should some day write a tutorial on how to make a really exotic naming language...)

...There's an art to this kind of stuff.

I agree. I would love to see some new naming conventions to get ideas from.
In my world, the island are controlled by goblins who are not as weak or uncouth as your average monster manual variety... "yeahk" simply means "gathering", but in this case it refers to a city (or the largest gathering in their culture)... the individual names such as the aforementioned "Goska" and "Thraga" were attempts to further define the tone of their speech patterns... hard consonants ending in softer vowels. In the case of Yeahk Thraga, it was specifically named after a war hero (who was a player in a previous campaign), named Thrag (who was coincidentally a gnome, not a goblin, but their history books have left that bit out... the 'a' was added to follow their speech pattern).

Now that Ascension mentions it, I believe there was a "Rak Goska" in the Belgariad... any similarity is either purely coincidence or subconscious. The ruins in my world are only notable because that was the first city lost in the war mentioned above. No secret assassins live there, and its not a desert. :lol:

I may want to change that one... he's right. Oh well.

Naeddyr
04-04-2009, 07:02 PM
... hard consonants ending in softer vowels.

I'm going to start my tutorial by telling the reader to THROW these terms out the window, they do not mean anything! Yes, I see I have much to show you. I will have you talking about voicedness and aspiration in no-time! We won't go into the boring bits like glottalisation and other things I've never figured out myself (because they are boring). Rule number one! Trying to quantify the euphonius quality of a language is unscientific! Your goblins are as likely to go "Hello~ oui are~ the Ro~mans~" as anything >:o And the reverse holds true, there ain't nothing in the book that says Elves can't speak with a lot of voiced back consonants! "Bu-bu-but Tolkien" schmolkien! Rule number two, Live By The Tolkien, Die By The Tolkien! No, I will not explain that one!


&tc &tc

it'll be all pretty much like that

Gandwarf
04-05-2009, 05:35 AM
Man, you gotta do that tutorial :D

dolenore
12-19-2011, 11:20 PM
I am posting a reply for two reasons.
First, I have updated this old map request rather than start a new one, so I need to bump it back onto a page where somebody might see it.
Second, I am curious if that hinted-at language tutorial was ever made. ;)

ravells
12-20-2011, 05:13 AM
I've moved this out of archives and back into the maps requested thread for you.

dolenore
12-21-2011, 05:49 PM
Thanks ravells. I didn't realize it was archived or I might have just made a new post for it.

As an aside though, if it is not too taboo to ask such a question, what is an acceptable price tag on commissioning a world map? I assumed the dollar signs are larger than I can afford for my little pet project... I would be more than happy to pay for the work provided though if my assumptions are wrong.

ravells
12-21-2011, 06:11 PM
No worries, dolenore.

Hey, I'm working on a new style at the moment. You can see it here. (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?16888-Fast-Continent) If you have a campaign world which is 10 years old, then presumably it's pretty rich in detail (which is something I would want in making a map like this). The map I'm currently drawing is just a test piece out of my imagination, but It seems a shame to be putting all that effort into a map which will never be used for anything.

If you like the style, then I'll happily do your map for you using the same or a similar style for, say, 50 bucks. The mountain brushes on the test map do not belong to me (and anyway they are too blurry at the scale required), so I would make new mountain brushes for the map more in keeping with the style - this might take a bit of time though.

What I would like to make is:

1. A large, detailed map (a least one continent).
2. Lots and lots of towns, cities, regions and country labels etc.
3. Anything you can think of to give the map character. E.g. if there was a particularly memorable encounter your players had somewhere, we could make a reference to that.

Drop me a line here, if you'd like to go forward.

cheers

Ravs

dolenore
12-24-2011, 08:17 PM
Thank you ravells, but as we discussed in private each of our needs won't be met. One or the other of us would have to compromise too much. I definitely appreciate your offer and love that style you are working on, I hope it goes to good use!

I guess I should be more clear on what I want out of the map. Also, is there a way to change the [Unpaid] tag to [Paid?]? Now that I have a ballpark, the issue of payment isn't as troubling.

ravells
12-24-2011, 08:45 PM
Hi dol,

No worries. I'm sure you'll get someone to produce something wonderful for you! I'll amend the tag for you now.

best

Ravs