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Girltron
04-19-2009, 02:32 PM
What gives? On my machine, it's not uncommon for us to have Photoshop, Illustrator, and 3DsMax running simultaneously with a window open online too, without stuff slowing down. When I run GIMP, the simplest operations chug down the works so that just applying a blur to an image is painfully, irritatingly slow. I'm frustrated because the program looks very nicely designed and I want to use it. I keep going back to Photoshop to save my sanity, though. Is there some initial setup I can fix to improve this?

ravells
04-19-2009, 04:31 PM
I'm with GP...if you have photoshop there's very little that Gimp can do more. Although I do think his last comment was a bit harsh.

Gamerprinter
04-19-2009, 04:43 PM
I apologize for that - perhaps I got up on the wrong side of the bed. :(

You do deserve an answer, and perhaps there is a setup issue that can fix you problem.

For me the goal is creating a great map. The more software you can use to get that to happen means learning new software, which can be frustrating, so that's not wrong either.

However, unless there's a reason you won't be able to use Photoshop, Illustrator and 3D studio max any longer, you should stick with that. I am sure there are many mappers here that would love to have those three apps on their computer right now - and we'd be chuggin' out awesome maps.

Ravs is right, I was too harsh. But take this into consideration that you have the tools to do the best maps possible. Why not, spend your limited time using what you know to create cartographic masterpieces?

The map is the goal, not what tools you use.

GP

torstan
04-19-2009, 07:06 PM
I find that Gimp is a little worse than some other programs at memory management. What size canvases are you working with? What machine are you using? I find that Gimp can run A4 at 300dpi with 15 layers or so on 1Gb or Ram before it starts slowing down. I have to borrow other computers for anything larger. Photoshop will be better at this I guess because it's optimised for professional use. That's my guess anyway. If its slow and crashy with sizes lower than that (or larger with a heftier computer - which I assume you have since you're running some pretty resource hungry programs) then there might be something up with the settings.

I like it better than photoshop, but that's just a matter of personal experience. I'm sure that if I'd spent a year with photoshop I'd be pretty happy using it over Gimp.

Girltron
04-19-2009, 07:11 PM
Uh. I'm not sure I know what that was all about. Thus far I haven't complained about any programs not doing what they're designed to do. Only with my implementation/knowledge of them. Far as I can see, that's a normal part of learning a new software. Easier to ask here than to pull my hair out till I figure it out on my own.

Also-I read part of that first post before it disappeared, somehow-I've never used Wilbur, so I don't know where that came from.

The topic of this thread is to do with getting GIMP to run optimally. That's what I'm asking about. I'm really not interested in whether anybody thinks it's worth my learning. I wanna use GIMP. There's no harm in adding to my knowledge base. Furthermore I can't afford to upgrade Photoshop. Can somebody discuss this issue with me instead of arguing the relative merits of GIMP/PS?

Girltron
04-19-2009, 07:14 PM
Thanks, torstan, this is what I'm looking for. See, I'm running 1G RAM and I'm not working NEARLY as large as A4, AND I've only got one layer going at the moment. There has got to be a setting I need to fix. Or maybe I need to look at the installation of the program, but it's not set up weird at all, and it's on the faster of the two hard drives...

Gamerprinter
04-19-2009, 07:22 PM
Again, sorry, Wilbur is an open source source software similar to Fractal Terrains and something else developed by Waldronate, whose on these boards. Perhaps another tool to try out.

I hope you figure out GIMP, and it works out for you. There are many pedigree GIMP users here. It is Open Source software, and compared to the paid-for ones its pretty good, but can be buggy at times. Truth tell, I've had problems with PS crashing on my system from time to time, so I don't know if there is any app that is problem free on every person's systems (PCs).

We recently had a monthly challenge to create a map for use as a wide format print, and many of the GIMP users felt that trying to create their style of map at anything above 100 ppi at anything like 24 x 36 was impossible with their limitations of RAM, graphics card and whatever. Which I found shocking, in that all my maps are created with the intention of large format, and my software does not limit me so. I don't use a super-beefed up PC, mine is pretty standard and mapping things work fairly fast.

GIMP has its place, but I don't think its the ideal software for everyone. I hope someone can help you out.

GP

PS: I deleted my first post, since it wasn't helpful

Gandwarf
04-19-2009, 07:23 PM
Just to be sure, did you download The Gimp or Gimpshop? The latter is sort of a Photoshop skin for the Gimp. I tried that version and it crashed a lot and was really slow. Using just the Gimp now and having no problems.

Girltron
04-19-2009, 08:09 PM
Oh, yeah, it's GIMP. I did a couple of things just now; disabling a few programs that run in the background, and reducing the resolution of my image which I did NOT want to do, but it definitely cut down on the waiting times.

torstan
04-19-2009, 09:07 PM
Hmm, okay it really shouldn't be running slow from what you say. Sounds like your system is roughly the same as mine. If you only have Gimp open can you get it to work reasonably well?

Sir Alain
04-20-2009, 12:28 AM
I've been having problems with GIMP crashing too, with only minor operations running. I have seen the topic come up over at the GIMP forums, and from what I can tell, it seems to be a fairly common issue with ver. 2.6.6. Several folk have posted, as well as myself. So far the GIMP lords haven't seen fit to address it in any of the threads I saw. Hopefully they have taken note and are taking steps to fix it in 2.6.7. In the meantime, if you can get your hands on 2.6.5, over at sourceforge or somewhere else that hosts it, that might help. Hope so! :)

Girltron
04-20-2009, 06:58 AM
Hm, that's helpful. At least I'm not alone. I kicked the resolution down on my image and left it at that, since I was planning on eventually vectorizing it in Inkscape and editing there (I've already done this, actually). I would have been happier to preserve more detail than re-create it, but whatever. For what I'm doing now I'm not unhappy. Before I use GIMP for anything intensive, though, I need to figure this out or get a patch, when offered. I already checked my environment preferences and changed them to correspond to my system; I ran it with my virus/spyware programs set to "gamer mode", and that probably helped too. What irks me is it was NOT a large file to begin with.

torstan
04-20-2009, 08:20 AM
No, this is not normal behaviour for Gimp. I'd certainly try to get your hands on an older version of the 2.6 line. I'm on 2.6.4 and having no problems at all. This certainly sounds like a bug.

Redrobes
04-20-2009, 08:24 AM
I think if this were me and were talking windows machines here I think then I would go get the SysInternals suite and use its process viewer to see whats happening on the PC when its running. That version is better than the built int ctrl-alt-del process viewer by a long way.

It sounds like there is a resourcing issue whether real or fake. It would be useful to know whether its CPU bound or memory bound or whether its paging stuff out when its going slow. You can get at all these details using the viewer. You need to get the PFDelta (page file delta) thats how many pages it did in the last second or whatever time slice your doing. You need the overall RAM used (the Working Set) and the CPU time is always given as a default. Are you able to show some of these values when it near hangs. The PFDelta is likely to be showing the problem tho.

You might also check if your using an anti-virus. Maybe unplug from LAN and switch it off temporarily and see if that helps. For apps which constantly save files to HDD then the AV has to check them continuously and that can be done at the kernel level (because root kits can override the check) which involved more hoop jumping and slowdown.

Still, could be a stright up Gimp programming issue tho but best to check whats going on first.

Girltron
04-20-2009, 08:49 AM
All good advice. I'll probably do this at some stage, like next time I need GIMP and it acts funny. For the current project, I'm past the raster stage now and don't think I'm going to be needing it much at all. I do think I might go to an older version for comparison's sake.

PhotoComix
05-01-2009, 02:47 PM
The Windows version of Gimp 2.6.6 is clearly buggy, and that is a Windows only problem, on Linux work as should

I suggest simply to revert to 2.6.5 here a direct link
http://downloads.sourceforge.net/gimp-win/gimp-2.6.5-i686-setup.exe.

You will not loose anything, 2.6.6 do not offer any new feature, was intended only to fix some little bugs still in 2.6.5 , but in this case and again only for Win, bugs where added instead then fixed


...could be a stright up Gimp programming issue

seems not on Linux works as should, and as far i know also on MAC, so should be the build not the code

RobA
05-01-2009, 03:57 PM
seems not on Linux works as should, and as far i know also on MAC, so should be the build not the code

I would suspect the build. I have built 2.6.6 from source under windows XP and MinGW and it has been running quite solid for me (and surprisingly, it seems faster than the pre-compiled build.)

-Rob A>

PhotoComix
05-02-2009, 06:34 PM
I have built 2.6.6 from source under windows XP and MinGW and it has been running quite solid for me (and surprisingly, it seems faster than the pre-compiled build.)

You did what ..???

Oh please RobA, if you do again for the next version could you do me a GREAT FAVOR ?

I do no pretend you doing a tut for that, but if you only may grab CAMSTUDIO ( www.camstudio.org/) and made a Video-grab of the process you will make me really happy !!

Doesn't matter how will be big the file, i may arrange for upload/download even gigantic files.

( But in case you will do a guide i may assure you will be automatically pinned on top of the Gimptalk tutorial, and translated in italian for gimpitalia.it )

Sorry fot the OT but are years that i wish to build GIMP on Windows but i never find a decently detailed and updated info )

Again for me if you just may start CAMStudio as soon you start the process, and you stop it at the end...i believe that will solve

RobA
05-03-2009, 10:08 PM
You did what ..???

Oh please RobA, if you do again for the next version could you do me a GREAT FAVOR ?

I do no pretend you doing a tut for that, but if you only may grab CAMSTUDIO ( www.camstudio.org/) and made a Video-grab of the process you will make me really happy !!

Doesn't matter how will be big the file, i may arrange for upload/download even gigantic files.

( But in case you will do a guide i may assure you will be automatically pinned on top of the Gimptalk tutorial, and translated in italian for gimpitalia.it )

Sorry fot the OT but are years that i wish to build GIMP on Windows but i never find a decently detailed and updated info )

Again for me if you just may start CAMStudio as soon you start the process, and you stop it at the end...i believe that will solve

well... I basically followed the wiki (http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/HowToCompileGimp/MicrosoftWindows).

The hard part was getting it to compile with python support ;)

I'll go back to my notes and see if I can work out the trickier bits.

-Rob A>

PhotoComix
05-04-2009, 04:13 AM
Finally that wiki was updated!
I stop monitor that page time ago because was totally obsolete, but now seems more then usable!

I will try soon, first i have to clean up a bit my PC