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zhar2
07-05-2009, 11:47 AM
Well i personally hate using watermarks as its a sign of distrust, but i just wanted to know whats the policy on posting work with watermarks?

Ive used them for certain stuff, specially when i had work taken or used without permission (eg: some logos & graphics), its not like if i was expecting money becouse i dont and i even give out work for stuff like planet textures and so on when just asked.

So i just wanted to know if it would be acceptable to do it with final pieces here, or would it just be offensive (please dont hate me for asking).

Gandwarf
07-05-2009, 12:12 PM
It's rarely used on these forums, but I think you have the right to protect your stuff. I wouldn't mind... I don't think there's any official rules.

Redrobes
07-05-2009, 12:25 PM
I haven't seen any rule about them and I think everyone is entitled to do what they like with their own work. Just a few pointers tho. a) if your map is based off of another with creative commons then its possible that its not allowed from the licensing point of view so maps for the CWBP should be free to use. and b) If you watermark it then I would watermark all the maps in the set and do it using a slightly different watermark as a straight up feint light text across it like some of them are easy to remove - the more so with the more amount of images using the same mark.

ravells
07-09-2009, 01:10 PM
Using watermarks is a pure personal choice thing. There are no rules and I doubt that anyone would think less of you if you did.

töff
07-09-2009, 01:28 PM
I stick a little copyright line on the stuff I print.

But I figure if somebody's going to steal my work, a copyright or watermark or whatever will not be of much use unless I know the stuff's been stolen and it's worth fighting for legally. And if it becomes a legal fight, I don't think a copyright line or watermark is gonna help much anyway.

But it doesn't hurt, does it. Unless it's one of those ugly "antitheft" things that obscures the imagery.

Karro
07-09-2009, 02:06 PM
Using watermarks is a pure personal choice thing. There are no rules and I doubt that anyone would think less of you if you did.

You know, that's good to hear.

My "plan" (i.e. vague hope for the future) is to use the maps I am working on for a novel/series I've been working on (knowing full well my chances of publication are slim). As a writer, then, I'm plagued with all sorts of irrational fears. I knew that too much watermarking was kind of a sign of paranoia... but if it's a small thing, I thought, maybe others wouldn't mind it too much, and it would address some of those irrational, authorial fears and keep them under control...

Albeit, my lack of any maps in however long it's been aren't a result of my own watermark/no watermark dilemma: that's attributable to the glacial pace at which I've been working - a different dilemma altogether!

töff
07-09-2009, 02:18 PM
@Karro.
There's invisible watermarks you can use in digital files.
They don't obscure your art ... and so they don't look paranoid at all ... because they're invisible!

Karro
07-09-2009, 02:51 PM
@Karro.
There's invisible watermarks you can use in digital files.
They don't obscure your art ... and so they don't look paranoid at all ... because they're invisible!

ORLY?

You wouldn't know, I suppose, how to do that in, say, GIMP?

töff
07-09-2009, 03:33 PM
No ... only used GIMP once or twice ... there's a Digimarc plugin for Photoshop but they don't seem to have a GIMP version. It might be worth some googling on your part, though.

There are JPG tags, or text in alphachannels ... various manual methods like that.

Ascension
07-09-2009, 04:56 PM
If there's ever a legal battle I'll just roll out my original psd file and case closed.

Redrobes
07-09-2009, 06:31 PM
From a technical point of view stuff that's embedded in the file format of the file can be stripped out real easily with almost any kind of paint package and you can get rid of invisible watermarks real easily too. Usually a stretch of the image gets rid of most but you can go further with some more specialist stuff if need be.

If you looking for what to do that's hard to get rid of then putting a logo in a place on the map that's not so easy to just crop out and fill in with background is the best. Use a logo that lots of detail and lots of colors. If you want to go to the extreme then use a logo made up with a random dot fill in it. Oh and don't blend the logo in and then reuse exactly the same one in lots of images. You can ask the computer to find the similarities between lots of images and extract the logo. If the random dot fill is changing each time then you cant use that method.

Its not that I have had to do this you understand but removing a feint watermark from images is no different to removing constant background noise from astro images which I have done quite a lot of.

zhar2
07-09-2009, 06:47 PM
Well its not like its supposed to be uncrackable, its just to detter most people and those without technical ability, and anyway theres no perfect safeguard, plus then theres, plus theres the date of creation of originals plus deveopment files if it has to be legally proved i guess