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ravells
07-10-2009, 08:06 PM
The theme of this month's challenge is enchantment.

We are are looking for a magical map, the kind that maybe held you as a child that you saw in an illustrated book or maybe the more scary type.

Rich colours, places which suggest an otherwordliness....the choice is yours...we want a map which spells and epitomises the word 'enchantment' and what it means to you.

It's a short timeframe this month so this is the only restriction.

Enchant us.

mmmmmpig
07-10-2009, 08:28 PM
That is quite a restriction though...

Ascension
07-10-2009, 10:16 PM
I hope I can get some time to do this in the next two weeks.

Talroth
07-11-2009, 01:59 AM
Hummm, I've been playing around with a concept for a system of magic to use in a game, which involved a complex mapping of ideas and elemental powers,... Wonder if that could make the cut,...

Syt
07-11-2009, 11:10 AM
Something that popped into my mind would be an Arabian Nights themed map, or perhaps one based on Greek mythology, though I'm not sure that the latter would fit the "magic" or "enchanted" theme, similar with a map of the Nibelungenlied.

Then again I don't know if I'd have the time at the moment, anyways. :)

Gamerprinter
07-11-2009, 11:47 AM
It says create a map that is enchanting to you, so why does everybody's post seem to be a question "does this idea of mine qualify as enchanting" - and the answer is "yes" the restriction is subjective, as long as its enchanting for you, it qualifies.

I don't understand all these questions? But as I said, I retired, so I'm not doing this. The confusion defies me...

GP

Immolate
07-11-2009, 11:53 AM
I think our minds are more comfortable with restrictions than without, and when the instructions seem subjective, we look for an interpretation that implies limits over one that does not. I know I do that.

Gamerprinter
07-11-2009, 01:35 PM
I can agree with that, Imm - its easier to follow specific instructions, then to say "make anything you want that's enchanted". That means you actually have to think of everything yourself. Specific instructions give you a guide, so you use your creativity to enchance the entry to your version.

If I were doing it, I'd try to make an "enchanted" map:

1. Do 3D like Jyyke, but show a flat map at the edges, then have 3D structures that rise above the map or drop below the map surface to make it seem "enchanted".

2. Create a map covered in runes or glyphs with riddled labeling, as if it takes a spell caster to read the map - perhaps the map is a magical trap, that unless read properly can cause a debilitating effect to the reader.

3. Create a desert sands region map, but show sand blowing off the map onto the table its resting on. Or similarly have an island map in the ocean, but have a tear at the edge and sea water is leaking from the map onto the table.

4. About a year and half ago, I posted a thread about using optical illusion patterns as floor tiles that create simulated movement like rippling waves or rotating circles with the optical illustion. Create a wizard's lab or keep with optical illusion designs on the floor to simulate "enchanted" map.
optical illusion link (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1411&highlight=optical+illusion)

I'm sure there are a half a hundred other ways to go, but these are just 4 ideas I have for this challenge, if I were doing it. Of course, I'm retired so feel free to borrow one of these for your entry!

Edit: dang! I retired. I just had an awesome idea for #2, perhaps I'll post something in the WIP forum... :P

GP

Talroth
07-11-2009, 02:35 PM
It says create a map that is enchanting to you, so why does everybody's post seem to be a question "does this idea of mine qualify as enchanting" - and the answer is "yes" the restriction is subjective, as long as its enchanting for you, it qualifies.

I don't understand all these questions? But as I said, I retired, so I'm not doing this. The confusion defies me...

GP

In my case at least, the questions were more thinking out loud. And a way to hopefully remind myself to actually DO the work for once. I couldn't tell you how many challenges I've 'done', but I don't think I've ever actually posted up for one yet.

Too many hobbies.

MysticMagellan
07-12-2009, 12:15 AM
I think this is a fun idea. I just created a map for the players in a game I run that lays out the creation of a network of enchanted towers designed to harness, amplify, and control a nexus crystal (which in my world is a convergence point of lay lines and extra-planar energy). The map only has minor enchantments, mostly to preserve and protect it, but because it documents a magical process I think it fits the description of this challenge (it fits Gamerprinter's example #2 quite nicely), and if anyone is interested I'm going to post it over in the regional section for mapping.

I might do a new map for this challenge, but I'd like to go in a different direction, and I haven't been inspired yet with a concept.

armoredgear7
07-13-2009, 03:25 PM
Sounds like a cool challenge. I'm down.

I'll see about coming up with a concept later this week.

Syt
07-15-2009, 01:39 PM
Re: the definition of the mapping challenge. I was a bit confused whether it meant enchanted or enchanting. :)

But as said work currently precludes any major private activities. Accounting's a bitch sometimes.

Gamerprinter
07-15-2009, 02:56 PM
Syt, I don't think it matters. This challenge was introduced late in the month and I see that the CLs are trying to make it rules lite on this one. While in reality is seems to be creating an "enchanting map" - which could be most anything in a fairy tale or other colorful cultural flavor. My earlier suggestions in this thread are more for "enchanted maps" which is what I'd create if I were participating.

Do a map either way - I'm sure it will still qualify.

GP

ravells
07-15-2009, 06:12 PM
We want you to create an enchanting map that will enchant us.

You sound more like a lawyer than an accountant :)

Syt
07-16-2009, 02:23 AM
We want you to create an enchanting map that will enchant us.

You sound more like a lawyer than an accountant :)


Why, I do have a background in public administration, which required a lot of (now forgotten) law training. ;)

Thanks for the clarifications, guys, but as said time is the restricting factor in this case, not my imagination. If I find time to do something this weekend or next I may participate, but so far it doesn't look too good.

Jykke
07-16-2009, 07:06 AM
Seems like it's going to be quite watery challenge :)

Jykke
07-17-2009, 01:33 AM
Is it just me or does this part of the forum (Monthly Challenge) seem quieter than it usually is?

Steel General
07-17-2009, 08:40 AM
It is the middle of summer here in the states, a lot of people are taking vacations, and such.

I'm skipping this challenge as I don't have any good ideas.

mmmmmpig
07-17-2009, 02:09 PM
I'm skipping this challenge as I don't have any good ideas.

hasn't stopped you before.... ooooh burn. Sorry, I am in a sarcastic mood today. I kid I kid, I am always in a sarcastic mood.

Gamerprinter
07-17-2009, 02:17 PM
Ouch, that's a burn and a half!

GP

Steel General
07-17-2009, 02:59 PM
I've taken to wearing an asbestos suit...keeps the burn to a minimum, but what a bonus... Cancer! :)

Immolate
07-18-2009, 06:21 PM
Ouch, that's a burn and a half!

GP

When he burns, you're supposed to dodge! (a little Photoshop humor there. Yeah I know. Very little)

But seriously folks... I think we're all going to miss GP's challenge entries now that he's retired so that he doesn't discourage the rest of us. I think there should be a Master's Challenge, where only those who have won a regular challenge before can compete with others of their level of ability, and from where they never feel compelled to retire to make room for the up-and-comers.

Here are my thoughts: a Master's Challenge could be open-ended, or themed. I think we all like a theme, so I lean in that direction, but then again, I'm not a master. It could be at two or three month intervals to allow time for the awesome maps that we've seen so often here, and to save the community leaders from contest fatigue and the rest of us from voting fatigue.

And what do you think of this idea... At the end of the contest time, instead of putting up a poll, have someone go through and count each contestant's reputation, then ask the community to give rep to the contestants that they liked best. They could vote for as many or as few as they'd like, though I suspect there would be only a handful of contestants in any given contest, and whoever got the most rep in the next few days would win the compass. This does give the masters themselves a disproportionate "vote" in deciding who wins, but itmakes sense that those who put the most into the forum and their work get the biggest say. They should know.

That last thought was probably fruit loops, but I'm not a good judge of my own ideas :)

I'm just thinking that it wouldn't cost anything and could give people like GP something to design for besides the old game group/novel/getting paid motivations. And it could produce some very inspiring pieces.

ravells
07-18-2009, 08:34 PM
For me, this is taking the 'contest' a step too far. We're here to help each other, not to have some sort of Karate Kid tournament. The object of all the challenges we run has been to allow people to work to a time limit so that they feel compelled to finish making a map. We don't really care if the map is good, bad or indifferent...the point is that you have produced a map, impelled by a time limit. The voting and the awards are really a bit of a sideshow, the really important bit of the challenges is to take part and work to surprise yourself about what you can do and to raise your own standards a little higher...

hope this makes sense, because this is really the point of the guild. In the end you're really competing against that image in your head you want to reproduce so everyone can see it and enjoy it.

It's not really being 'better' than anyone else.

ravs

Jykke
07-19-2009, 09:58 AM
That's a very good answer ravells. Actually so good that I just have to rep you for that.

Steel General
07-19-2009, 10:01 AM
Well said Ravs...

Immolate
07-19-2009, 11:27 AM
That makes good sense. The contests had been here for a long time when I got here so I see them differently from those who watched them be born and evolve. I respect the perspective of the old timers who want to preserve valuable aspects of the culture here. Any of you who have traveled the internet for a long time know just how rare this kind of community is.

Gandwarf
07-19-2009, 11:51 AM
That makes good sense. The contests had been here for a long time when I got here so I see them differently from those who watched them be born and evolve. I respect the perspective of the old timers who want to preserve valuable aspects of the culture here. Any of you who have traveled the internet for a long time know just how rare this kind of community is.

This community is pretty rare, yes. It has been at least 7 years since I was last active on a forum (non-lurking).

Ascension
07-19-2009, 04:21 PM
I kind of liked the idea, shrug. I don't agree with the rep voting cuz some of us have bigger sticks than others but you could change that to straight votes. As to the purpose of the challenges, I'm pretty much with what Ravs has said. I look at the challenges as an opportunity to try something new or maybe learn something different...like a real apprenticeship. Which is why I have always thought that there should be more entries.

Gamerprinter
07-19-2009, 11:45 PM
My reasons for Challenge retirement are multi-fold:

1. As I already stated, I don't want my creative and mapping expertise to outshine otherwise great entries simply due to my own experience and skill. I have received some friendly complaints in the past by lesser skilled mappers in trying to compete against me in any challenge. Plus I have 4 Challenge awards now, isn't that enough?

2. My workload prevents it - from 3pp map commissions to my own development of Kaidan, when I participate in a challenge, I go full board, which prevents me from the work I should be doing. My workload is getting heavier, not lighter.

3. More and more, when I participate in a Challenge, I love my own ideas so much, that I immediately start thinking of RPG products to produce based on them. I think its unfair to take Guild material and convert to my personal gain, which is another reason for my reluctance in further involvement with challenges.

In the past, I have participated in challenges I didn't plan on entering, but once finding a lack of participants, I entered in order to inspire others to join in as well, seeing what ideas I bring to otherwise difficult to work with themes. My first challenge win was for the November 07 challenge which had an Old West theme, and after the first week there were no entries at all, so I entered so the Monthly Challenge wouldn't get burned from non participation. In the end only RobA too entered near the end of that month.

I still really love participating in Challenges, its an excellent exercise and has lead to many improvements in my skill, style and technique - I make better maps now, because of Challenge participation. Plus, I admit because of my "good ideas", I enjoy showing off! :P

So a Masters Mapping Challenge, while not a bad idea - competing against new blood isn't the only reason for my retirement. And I think only a handful of mappers here at the Guild qualify for such a Masters Tournament. Many of us are busy with our own lives and projects and I could see a Master's Challenge only having 1 to 3 participants which wouldn't be enough for variety or fun. Once we have an army of Challenge Winners, then this idea might be worth pursuing - just my 2 cents on that.

GP

Jykke
07-21-2009, 07:12 AM
the thumbs page looks somewhat outdated.

RobA
07-21-2009, 12:00 PM
My 2 bits here-

A big part of the challenges is to provide "amateur" or hobby map makers with some motivation to complete a map within a fixed time. It helps to develop focus and is a good prep to build a "virtual portfolio" outside what they might create just mapping for themselves.

Anyone who is routinely making maps on a commission basis are free to participate, but most likely won't have the time, or have other priorities/goals in mind (as nicely stated by GP).

This is really the reason we chose the term "challenge" rather than "contest" in the first place... it is not intended to be a "one winner, the rest losers" contest but a challenge to every person to better themselves, given a set of constraints!

-Rob A>

Redrobes
07-21-2009, 02:43 PM
the thumbs page looks somewhat outdated.Yes - ill see to that right now.

Jykke
07-23-2009, 06:01 AM
One other thing, Am I doing something wrong as the map thumbnail isn't updating, even If I have removed previous latest wip tags?

ravells
07-23-2009, 10:28 AM
Hi Jykke - the script needs to be run (I don't think it runs automatically) for the new updates to show, so it probably hasn't been run yet.

Jykke
07-23-2009, 12:32 PM
ah, ok. Nevermind then. I thought it runsautomatically when the page loads, or something like that.

RobA
07-23-2009, 05:28 PM
No, one of us lazy CL's needs to go an do it manually...done!

-Rob A>