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Tear
08-02-2009, 02:42 PM
I'm giving Pasis' tutorial (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=4405) a try to create a map of Westeros from A Song of Ice and Fire by George RR Martin.

This is my current WIP:

AslanC
08-02-2009, 02:48 PM
As I said earlier... loving it :)

Oh yes and... Winter is coming.

Gandwarf
08-02-2009, 03:06 PM
You must send this to mr. Martin :D

Steel General
08-02-2009, 04:08 PM
You must send this to mr. Martin :D

Here's a link (http://georgerrmartin.com/) to his website, his e-mail is address on the homepage.

AslanC
08-02-2009, 04:09 PM
Agreed he loves this kind of stuff! :)

Ghostman
08-02-2009, 04:55 PM
Gorgeous work :o

I'm a big fan of GRRM and especially his ASoIaF stuff. It really warms my heart to see an awesome map of the setting, being made here no less. I hope you'll find the time and enthusiasm to finish it, Tear.

ravells
08-02-2009, 06:26 PM
Lovely work! You've really done the map justice, Tear.

Tear
08-02-2009, 06:58 PM
Thanks for all the kind words.

If you spot any mistakes, please let me know.

silverhead
08-02-2009, 07:12 PM
I've already replied (wrongly) in another thread, so I should just point you there and let it be :-) But anyway: great job. The map is not only Pasis' tutorial, you've done a lot of good work with this map.

I'm sure that you already knew that, but I wanted to make it clear because the way you said it, you didn't give yourself enough credit :-)

Gandwarf
08-02-2009, 08:23 PM
I've already replied (wrongly) in another thread, so I should just point you there and let it be :-)

Actually, I deleted your posts in the other thread ;)

LonewandererD
08-02-2009, 11:20 PM
Its probably just my memory playing up but wasn't there a small town to the south of the Wall where the Black Brothers could visit, it had something to do with treasure or something. I don't have my book on my right now but i do recall something like that, i could be wrong.

Anyways, loving the map. The map in the book is good but this really brings the Westeros to life. Bravo :D

-D-

Gandwarf
08-03-2009, 04:15 AM
LOL
Isn't that Queenscrown? The men were going there to dig for treasure...

Steel General
08-03-2009, 07:19 AM
No, IIRC it's Moletown (where the underground brothels are :D).

LonewandererD
08-03-2009, 07:43 AM
Yeah, Moletown, that was it. I remember the brothels. The Queenskeep was the place that Jon and the Wildlings held up after they snuck over the wall.

-D-

Tear
08-03-2009, 11:14 AM
Mole's Town is about an half-hour walk away from Castle Black. In this map's scale, that's roughly a single pixel distance.

Karro
08-03-2009, 11:46 AM
So far, I've only read the first of the books (AGoT), but this is a great-looking map, and potentially more useful than the fairly spartan map in the books. (For instance, I completely mislocated Moat Cailin, if this map is actually accurate.)

Anyway, looks great.

Steel General
08-03-2009, 11:52 AM
I think the only thing I that looks a bit 'off' to me is the Vale. It's supposed to be filled with lush farmland (IIRC), and I think that get's lost a bit here. But even that doesn't take away the nice job you've done so far.

Tear
08-03-2009, 12:03 PM
In one of the books it is stated that Moat Cailin is really close to the headwaters of the Fever River, so it should be in the right area.
I might still tweak the exact location if I'm able to dig up additional information.

Tear
08-03-2009, 12:06 PM
I think the only thing I that looks a bit 'off' to me is the Vale. It's supposed to be filled with lush farmland (IIRC), and I think that get's lost a bit here. But even that doesn't take away the nice job you've done so far.

Good point. I'll check and greenify it a bit more for the next version.

Karro
08-03-2009, 12:09 PM
In one of the books it is stated that Moat Cailin is really close to the headwaters of the Fever River, so it should be in the right area.
I might still tweak the exact location if I'm able to dig up additional information.

As I said, I only read the first book, and even then found the provided map so virtually devoid of information that I felt like I was generally making up where stuff was happening. I have no reason to doubt where you put it.

Steel General
08-03-2009, 01:46 PM
In one of the books it is stated that Moat Cailin is really close to the headwaters of the Fever River, so it should be in the right area.
I might still tweak the exact location if I'm able to dig up additional information.

Check this site... Westeros.org (http://westeros.org/)

One of the best sites I've found for ASoIaF, I believe one of the admins (Werthead IIRC), posts here on occaision.

Tear
08-03-2009, 06:45 PM
Check this site... Westeros.org (http://westeros.org/)

One of the best sites I've found for ASoIaF, I believe one of the admins (Werthead IIRC), posts here on occaision.

Thanks, General.

Seems like I have some research to do.

I already discovered that "Sun House" on the southern end of the Reach is actually the name of the village around the keep. The keep itself is called "Sunflower Hall". A blatant mistake on my part that will be corrected in the next version.

silverhead
08-04-2009, 03:54 AM
Actually, I deleted your posts in the other thread ;)

A very efficient admin. Thanks a lot. My honour is now safe :)

Tear
08-04-2009, 11:24 AM
Some additions and corrections.

Latest WIP:

Ghostman
08-04-2009, 12:31 PM
Looks very good. Oh, I love those map symbols BTW!

Literalmn
08-04-2009, 12:43 PM
Some additions and corrections.

Latest WIP:
Just another fan heaping praise your way. An awesome tribute for an answer story.

Karro
08-04-2009, 01:15 PM
Just another fan heaping praise your way. An awesome tribute for an answer story.

I've never heard of the "answer story" genre before. ;)

Howebeit, the point (of awesomeness) remains.

Literalmn
08-04-2009, 01:48 PM
Curses! Foiled by the browser's spell checker. And not proofreading. :o


I've never heard of the "answer story" genre before. ;)

Howebeit, the point (of awesomeness) remains.

Balerion
08-04-2009, 03:27 PM
That's a tremendously beautiful map. I'm one of the founders of Westeros.org (and have done most of the work in regards to things like the Concordance (http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Concordance/)) and I do think you'll find it useful for some of the details. We're currently contracted to co-author The World of A Song of Ice and Fire with George, and could certainly point the map out to him if you haven't done so yourself (though he's soon off to Worldcon).

I made my own stab at a map of Westeros (purely in a graphics program, Campaign Cartographer is beyond me), which is think the most complete that currently exists, incorporating all information from all the maps. It's a poor, sorry thing next to your own, but it might have some additional details you'd like to incorporate.

It can be found here (http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Gallery/Entry/778/) (you can click on the image to expand it to full size). I believe I have the same issue in regards to Sun House/Sunflower Hall, something I need to see about, but otherwise I think it's fairly accurate.

We host a number of fan-created maps of Westeros there, and I think we'd be very pleased if we could host your own map (or provide a thumbnail and link through to your own site) should you be interested when you've finalized it. If you'd like to discuss it, you can contact me at webmaster@westeros.org :)

Oh, one detail that immediately springs to mind is the location of Starfall. GRRM's stated that it's in fact an island. I think I'd nudge your symbol for it just a smidge to the left, as there's a bit too much land showing between it and the river currently. And now that I think of it -- and this is just a suggestion -- but I think introducing more red into the Dornish mountains would be a good idea. The "red mountains of Dorne" are one of the first geographic details we have of that region. And for that matter, representing the more arid, desert climate of Dorne (much as you've shown the colder, more icy climate of the far North) could help provide some additional color and contrast while at the same time better representing the geography.

Really impressive work, Tear. Quite amazing!

Karro
08-04-2009, 05:41 PM
I made my own stab at a map of Westeros (purely in a graphics program, Campaign Cartographer is beyond me)...

You can't do that with Campaign Cartographer - no knock against that program, but the level of beauty portrayed here is just a level above and beyond what can be done with that, from everything I've seen. Work like this requires two things that Tear obviously has: (1) Skill & Talent and (2) a graphic/photo editor a bit more powerful than CC (in Tear's case, apparently, Photoshop).

Balerion
08-04-2009, 06:14 PM
Ah, well. My hats off for that, too. It's definitely the most beautiful map of the Seven Kingdoms I've seen so far.

Tear
08-04-2009, 06:25 PM
That's a tremendously beautiful map. I'm one of the founders of Westeros.org (and have done most of the work in regards to things like the Concordance (http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/Concordance/)) and I do think you'll find it useful for some of the details.

Thank you. It's nice to get to know the guy who wrote all the fiddly bits I have been reading recently. :)


We're currently contracted to co-author The World of A Song of Ice and Fire with George, and could certainly point the map out to him if you haven't done so yourself (though he's soon off to Worldcon).

Feel free to point it out to him if you want to. This is just a fan project, after all. I didn't write an e-mail myself, yet.


I made my own stab at a map of Westeros (purely in a graphics program, Campaign Cartographer is beyond me), which is think the most complete that currently exists, incorporating all information from all the maps.

Your map was a great help trying to nail all the locations down!
Some of mine might be a tad speculative, but they are at least supported by your writing. :)
In cases where I was too unsure, I didn't add anything.


I believe I have the same issue in regards to Sun House/Sunflower Hall, something I need to see about, but otherwise I think it's fairly accurate.

I just thought the location should either be a town called "Sun House" or a castle called "Sunflower Hall", because it's actually both, apparently.
Since the seat of the house seemed more important to me than a small, insignificant town, I went for the latter.
I made a similar decision concerning The Red Dunes / Vaith in Dorne.
Also, the name of Sea Road / Ocean Road was a bit unclear.
I am thankful for any help .


We host a number of fan-created maps of Westeros there, and I think we'd be very pleased if we could host your own map (or provide a thumbnail and link through to your own site) should you be interested when you've finalized it. If you'd like to discuss it, you can contact me at webmaster@westeros.org :)

No problem at all. You can host it if you want to. As I said earlier, this is a fan project, nothing more.


Oh, one detail that immediately springs to mind is the location of Starfall. GRRM's stated that it's in fact an island. I think I'd nudge your symbol for it just a smidge to the left, as there's a bit too much land showing between it and the river currently.

Ah, thanks. That's some valuable information.


And now that I think of it -- and this is just a suggestion -- but I think introducing more red into the Dornish mountains would be a good idea. The "red mountains of Dorne" are one of the first geographic details we have of that region. And for that matter, representing the more arid, desert climate of Dorne (much as you've shown the colder, more icy climate of the far North) could help provide some additional color and contrast while at the same time better representing the geography.

Good point. I used a slight reddish tint for Dorne, but now that I'm looking at it again, it's probably too weak. I'll make sure it's more intense in the next version.

Thank you for all the help. I'm open for all suggestions.

Tear
08-08-2009, 10:07 AM
Latest version:

Flaterectomy
08-08-2009, 10:22 AM
It's ridiculously beautiful. I don't know what details to praise, because everything just works so well together. It's just fun to explore. :D

I took your text label style and used it in a recent map myself, so thanks for the inspiration there. ;)

Steel General
08-08-2009, 04:00 PM
Like it very much...after spending a few more minutes looking it over I have some additional comments/questions/suggestions.



Tarth - It's called the emerald isle, like my earlier comment regarding the vale I think it needs to appear a bit more lush.
Did you purposely leave off Peter Baelish's "castle" in the fingers? Can't remember if it actually shows up on any of the maps. Same with the Mormont home on Bear Island.
Usually not a big fan of red text on maps (with or without an outer glow), but your's works wonderfully.


Again, great work.

Tear
08-08-2009, 08:16 PM
Tarth - It's called the emerald isle, like my earlier comment regarding the vale I think it needs to appear a bit more lush.
Did you purposely leave off Peter Baelish's "castle" in the fingers? Can't remember if it actually shows up on any of the maps. Same with the Mormont home on Bear Island.
Usually not a big fan of red text on maps (with or without an outer glow), but your's works wonderfully.



Another good point. It went straight to my to-do list.
I wasn't able to pinpoint the exact locations yet. If you have any text passages or other sources that might help, please post. As I said, I'm thankful for any hints.
I know it's somewhat unusual. I tried to keep the saturation down, so I hope this helps a bit on the eye-hurting side. The main purpose is as an additional way to identify castle names quickly, opposed to towns and other locations.



I took your text label style and used it in a recent map myself, so thanks for the inspiration there. ;)

You are most welcome. I wasn't too sure myself if this would work.

Tear
08-09-2009, 07:10 PM
I did some last tweaking with the water and some other details, so I'm calling this one pretty close to finished.

I'm still open to and also thankful for any more suggestions, but I'm eager to move on to other projects, so now's the time I guess.

Thanks to all who helped.

Diamond
08-09-2009, 08:35 PM
That is, hands down, the best Westeros map I've ever seen. I gnash my teeth in envy at your skill! :D

Hopefully if GRRM sees this it'll give him the motivation to stop screwing around and finish the #!@$! series...

Tear
08-09-2009, 09:00 PM
Thank you.


[...] stop screwing around and finish the #!@$! series...

You just summed up what all the fans are thinking.
Just kidding, of course.



...or am I?

;)

Koor
08-09-2009, 09:16 PM
As I said earlier... loving it :)

Oh yes and... Winter is coming.


But not this year... and probably not next year. Possibly the year after that, but don't get your hopes up.

Gandwarf
08-10-2009, 05:28 PM
Haha, give the man a break. We wouldn't want him to visit us and see all the negativity, right? ;)

Tear
08-10-2009, 05:41 PM
I'm pretty sure he can take a joke. :)

Steel General
08-10-2009, 05:45 PM
Haha, give the man a break. We wouldn't want him to visit us and see all the negativity, right? ;)

I'm sure he's heard enough by now, that it doesn't bother him any more...

Gandwarf
08-10-2009, 05:50 PM
All right then...
GIVE US A DANCE WITH DRAGONS!!!

*grabs pitchfork*

Diamond
08-10-2009, 10:32 PM
Well, they can always get Brandon Sanderson to finish it after Martin dies... ;)

Karro
08-11-2009, 10:23 AM
Well, they can always get Brandon Sanderson to finish it after Martin dies... ;)

LOL.

Hey, in some ways I'm pretty glad he's doing WoT, even if I am sad that RJ passed away too soon. But if they had picked some better-known, I wouldn't have discovered Sanderson's novels, at least not for a while yet. (Although, in truth, I haven't read any of them yet, due to lack of sufficient free time, but they are now in my queue.)

Tear
08-11-2009, 11:02 AM
Here is kind of a by-product from doing research for the map:

Steel General
08-11-2009, 11:17 AM
Nice!

Maybe put the House Crests/Symbols on there as well?

Tear
08-11-2009, 06:42 PM
Nice!

Maybe put the House Crests/Symbols on there as well?

I might beautify it someday... For now it's merely a tool to get my head around the areas of influence.

Tear
08-11-2009, 07:38 PM
Ok, my head is out of research capacity.

I found some more mistakes I made, e.g. the huge cluster of Bazaars around Sunspear is called "Shadow City", but of course that nickname doesn't make it a city population-wise.

Anyway, I'm not going to post an update for each tiny clue I find, so I'm calling this done for the purpose of this WIP thread.

Thanks for all the help.

I'll post a copy of the current incarnation in the finished map section.

Soygen
08-15-2009, 01:40 PM
Tear, I just want to say thank for this awesome map. Is the attached image the highest resolution version you have? I'd love this in a super high-res.

Tear
08-15-2009, 08:46 PM
Hi Soygen.

Thank you and welcome.

The most recent image is available in this thread (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=6683). While the source file I work with has a slightly higher resolution, it is not publicly available.

Sorry.

Soygen
08-16-2009, 11:33 AM
No problem. Thanks again for the map. It's very well done. :)

pasis
08-17-2009, 04:41 PM
It always warms my heart when someone uses my tutorial (and with such great results). Congrats!

Tear
08-17-2009, 04:54 PM
As I have said in your tutorial thread, I think it's brilliant.

Thank you for taking the time to write it.