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Noon
10-12-2009, 05:59 PM
This is my map finished, with two versions : crumpled paper and folded papier.

Steel General
10-13-2009, 06:12 AM
Nicely done!

Karro
10-15-2009, 12:33 PM
Looks good. A few points of minor critique:

The crumpled/folded textures are nice, but they do look a little odd continued onto the border. If the borders are meant to be a part of the paper that's crumpled/folded, I guess I'd expect them to be less saturated in color, similar to the rest of the map.

The other issue with the crumple/fold texture: the image of the map itself does not appear crumpled/folded to the degree that the texture overlaying it suggests. It's a little more difficult to do, but maybe try distorting the map image to follow the folds/creases of the crumple or fold texture. On the hows to do that, I can't really give you more detail (I'm fairly noobish at this stuff myself) but there are those on the boards who probably have that skill and can share it.

For one, you might be able to take the image, exported from CC3, then bring it into GIMP (free) to do some detail work like that. I believe RobA, then, would be able to give you a step-by-step on how to distort it to follow those folds, if you're interested.

Anyway, a fine map just the same.

Noon
10-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Thank you again, Karro.

I agree with you, I also found that the map was not crumpled enough.
In fact, I exported the map to Gimp, then I applied the textures of paper, using the Multiply function. But I don't know how to use Gimp more than that.

I am learning slowly :-D

Gidde
10-15-2009, 02:40 PM
Try making a copy of your texture layer, using the emboss filter (Filters -> Distort -> Emboss) on the copy (azimuth 135, height 30, play with the depth settings to find the right one; I'd guess probably 5 or 10), and then setting the embossed layer's mode to overlay. That might help make the map itself look crumpled.

Noon
10-15-2009, 03:21 PM
Gidde : I tried the emboss filter. If I understand correctly, it enhances the texture on which it is applied.
I like the result.
Well, I'll go to bed having learned something today :)

Karro
10-15-2009, 05:42 PM
Thank you again, Karro.

I agree with you, I also found that the map was not crumpled enough.
In fact, I exported the map to Gimp, then I applied the textures of paper, using the Multiply function. But I don't know how to use Gimp more than that.

I am learning slowly :-D

That's what this place is for. If you get a chance to pick RobA's brain for some GIMP tips, it'll be time well-spent. But best to have specific questions, I think, if you plan to ask him directly, so he can give specific answers (best to respect his time, I figure).

Anyway... even if you don't plan to use RobA's mapping style, I'd suggest taking a crack at his Regional Map tutorial (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=1142&highlight=RobA+regional). If you run through those steps you'll learn more than just how to map in his style: you'll learn a lot about how to use GIMP.

RobA
10-15-2009, 06:59 PM
I feel I have been summoned ;)

As Karro stated, using a crumple texture adds texture but bothers the eye a bit, because the lines don't follow the texture.

In Gimp, use Filters->Map->Displace to get the displacement map filter, and select the crumple texture for both the X and Y distortion. The values should be kept small, and the sign will depend on the direction of light in the crumple.

Here is an example using a crumple multiplied over a green checkerboard. In the lower half, I also applied a small (2 px in this case) displace.
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This really works well if you have a canvas texture overlayed. A small displace (fractional pixel, even) is enough to fool the eye:
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Nice map!

-Rob A>

Karro
10-16-2009, 01:58 PM
That's what I meant about RobA!

I knew it had to do with the displace filter, but hadn't used it recently so couldn't remember precisely.

AslanC
10-16-2009, 04:39 PM
Bravo! Excellent maps :)

Noon
10-17-2009, 09:24 AM
Whaouh ! This displace effect is great, it's exactly what I wanted to do, and I thought it was absolutely impossible !! (See the result below)
Thank you very very much.

I'll read the regional map tutorial.

Coyotemax
10-17-2009, 10:50 AM
oooooo
that's nice.

One comment, with the current texture on the map it almost looks more like cloth.

Which is in itself a neat effect :) If you had smoother wrinkles (if that's possible) I'd be convinced on that one.

However you end up working it, this is one cool looking map. And gets me thinking I should use displacement maps in photoshop when I do my crumpled paper effects...

**inspired** (thank you!)

Noon
10-17-2009, 01:00 PM
I understand, it looks a bit like a rag :-D

But you're right, the folds are too marked for paper.
I have limited texture by varying the opacity of the texture.
This time, it should be good.

Gidde
10-17-2009, 01:14 PM
Yeah, that looks better :)

Karro
10-19-2009, 10:40 AM
Nice. That really helps with the illusion. And it makes for a great CC3 > GIMP workflow.