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Robbie
09-04-2007, 10:54 PM
This month we'll be taking part in a cross site contest extravaganza! As you saw in our news post earlier, there was a contest over at Plotstorming.com and thecbg.org. The results are in, and now we get to make maps! And the good thing is; you get to choose which map you want to do! Sounds fun right!

We're all very excited about crossing over these sites, and all of the participating sites are featuring each others August contest entries in their September contests. So keep in mind that the winning entry will not only receive the standard Challenge Winner award on this site, but the entry will be put together with the other parts to make a complete piece of RPG material.

Guidelines:

Choose a subject from the following two contest winners

The Glass Ocean (http://thecbg.org/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?35603.4) - by Luminous Crayon at The Campaign Builders' Guild (http://thecbg.org)
Rushon, City of Splendor (http://www.plotstorming.com/forum/index.php?topic=326.msg3591#msg3591) - by Matthew Funk at Plot Storming (http://plotstorming.com)

Create a map of the designated area based on the information provided
Stay as true to the information provided as possible


The winning entry may be used in future alliance publications and therefore by submitting an entry you consent to having your work released as part of a future e-zine.

Remember to follow the posting guidelines and to create your own threads for entries. PLEASE USE THE THREAD NAMING CONVENTION...

WIP posts in this forum are welcomed, use this thread to discuss the challenge itself including any questions you may have. You have one month...go!

NeonKnight
09-05-2007, 05:05 AM
Looking at some of the fabulous past entries, I must ask, do I stand a snowball's chance in the infernal region to win a challenge using only Campaign Cartographer and its suite of addons?

ravells
09-05-2007, 06:17 AM
Lol! I don't think it's the software, but what you do with it and the ideas behind your entry that count!

Although it's nice to win a challenge, it's also a great way to try something new (as I did with the last one) and set out your work in progress as you go along, which other folks might find helpful to see. The fact that you have to do it within a month makes it more likely that the work doesn't sit on the shelf forgotten.

Have a go!

Ravs

RPMiller
09-05-2007, 12:17 PM
Looking at some of the fabulous past entries, I must ask, do I stand a snowball's chance in the infernal region to win a challenge using only Campaign Cartographer and its suite of addons?
I would love to see a CC entry win, and I believe that CC is particularly well geared for this type of challenge where everything is spelled out. Once in CC it should be a breeze to take people's feedback and really perfect the map.

ravells
09-06-2007, 08:29 AM
Eeeep! I've read both the entries and they are a challenge. The city of Rushton looks the easier of the two (marginally) given the very broad strokes in which the city is described.

The glass ocean with its limited landmarks and lack of certainty of size, direction and placement of landmarks is going to prove interesting to draw!

Good luck everyone!

Ravs

KeshFerrar
09-06-2007, 08:36 PM
Good luck everyone!

It will be interesting to see who picks what.

TheRedEpic
09-08-2007, 06:50 PM
I want to enter this months challenge which would be my first, but its very hard to wring any sort of description from all of those creative entries. Its frustrating to degree!

~Jared
www.TheRedEpic.com

Amonite
09-08-2007, 06:59 PM
Well, the description of the glass ocean was long, but very thorough. The problem comes in that the desert is by its nature very hard to map - so making a defined map feels like cheating the rules. And making an undefined map seems very...well un-cartographerish. If thats a word :P

Rushon's description is a lot harder. The short story was very gripping - but hard to get much description out of it. I suppose one could do a much larger map of all the lands they journeyed across to get *to* Rushon. Or just make lots up. Sometimes that is easier.

For instance, I read the Lemis City description about seven times while making one of my maps, then was almost done when I realized Lemis Keep was *white* and I had made it red. So I had to change it to white, which lost a lot of detail. Then there are the knucklebones, which I have yet to get to - and those are barely taller than a person and look like fingers. Not too hard to draw, but hard to place on any sort of large scale map as they are so small. Unless one puts in some sort of stylized representation, or draws a map of a more local area. But when I get to the giant glass ocean map, I have no idea what I will do with them as they are small, not like normal mountains. Same thing with Shale-Table Key - its really a very small rock for such a large desert, and my cartographer journalist would be very concerned with accurate proportions. So details are frustrating!!! Cool though, I love the Glass Ocean Description. If only it were not so impossible to map! :P

ravells
09-08-2007, 07:17 PM
I'd hold off on mapping Rushon for a moment until we have something cleared up.

It's the luck of the draw but us Cartographers have drawn a real hard one from the off with both the Ocean and Rushon.

Can't wait to pay CBG and plotstorming in kind when we kick off the next idea ;)

Ravs

pyrandon
09-08-2007, 11:03 PM
I'd hold off on mapping Rushon for a moment until we have something cleared up.

I don't think we need anything more than the Glass Ocean anyway--because when I look at the three current entries (as of only week 1 of the challenge) I think there is some stiff competition and some inspiring cartography going on! Wow--I think this is so far beginning as our best Challenge yet.

PS: Hey Jared, I hope you DO enter this--I's wager hard cash that your entry will both be a contender for the prize as well as inspiring all other entries!!

Ishmayl
09-08-2007, 11:28 PM
If you do choose the Glass Ocean, keep in mind that drawing the area between the Ocean and Lemis Keep is also part of the map, so that provides a bit more material. Woot! I can't wait to see more entries!

KeshFerrar
09-10-2007, 08:33 PM
Can't wait to pay CBG and plotstorming in kind when we kick off the next idea ;)


C'mon! I had to figure out how to integrate a compass rose into a prompt for this month's contest! I'm upset I had to cop out and use a compass, but it was the best I could do. Its a work of art, true, but it just doesn't lend itself to fiction. ;)

I agree, the Rushon in the winning entry would be tough to draw a map from. Either that or amazingly easy since you have no restrictions. Any city could be Rushon! When I wrote my entry I tried to add land marks -- but I didn't win, and its tough to give exacting detail in 3K words.

And speaking of next month's contest, the powers that be should start considering that now....

Amonite
09-10-2007, 09:00 PM
Well, it seems like next months contests might be based off the winning entries of this month. Although, since ours are based off last months, then you could get a wierd cyclic thing going that might be hard to end.

Although it looks liek they only have to be vaguely connected in some ways. Like, Rushon and the Compass were both the general contest, every entry of their respective contests featured them...but the glass ocean looked like it was a specific entry? Or something, so it was more unique.

While I like the idea of one contest leading to another, I think it should be more specific to the winner's entry, not the generic, and yet vague in defined scope to get the widest range of entries possible within limits.

IE the winning compass was a 'modern' twist on the compass rose. It was even overlaid on an older map...so instead of a random compass case featured in the contest, there could have been something about finding something modern or high tech in a low tech environment. I like the compass case concept as well, but that would have been the same no matter who won - it would be nice to make the winners entry tie in.

The same thing with Rushon. The contest *was* Rushon - so basing our contest off Rushon too just repeats that. Instead, the winning entry featured a city whose gates only opened so often (Very Brigadoon-ish), and people who fed off the dreams of others. So instead of mapping 'Rushon' which already was a contest, the contest could have been to map some sort of mystical city which can only be seen/sentered/found every so often, and take into acount how that would affect surrounding lands, etc.

The Glass Ocean worked beause it was a specific thing....but then the next contest would have to be pulled from something in the winning entry besides the location. Of the entries so far, we have things like perspective, a journal, a very undefined region, etc. So future contests could be something like a land with markings that can only be seen from the air (perspective), a dimension shifting region where the land itself moves (undefined), or a world that exists inside a book (journal).

Anyways, there are probably a lot of different ways next month's contest can go ^.^ But, I think it would be cooler if they were not based on last month's theme, but the winning entries themselves.

Luminous Crayon
09-10-2007, 11:14 PM
Hi, everyone.

Just wanted to say that I've looked over the entries, and they are fascinating. I'm impressed by (and a little jealous of) the skills being showcased here.

As a disclaimer to those who are working on maps of the Glass Ocean... I had no idea it was going to be used for this contest. If I had known you'd be making maps based on it, I wouldn't have tried so hard to make it difficult to map. :)

It is seriously exciting to watch these projects take shape!

Amonite
09-11-2007, 12:09 AM
But its so uber awesome!~ :) Although yes, fiendishly difficult to map....but that is part of its appeal :)

RPMiller
09-11-2007, 03:04 PM
Hi, everyone.

Just wanted to say that I've looked over the entries, and they are fascinating. I'm impressed by (and a little jealous of) the skills being showcased here.

As a disclaimer to those who are working on maps of the Glass Ocean... I had no idea it was going to be used for this contest. If I had known you'd be making maps based on it, I wouldn't have tried so hard to make it difficult to map. :)

It is seriously exciting to watch these projects take shape!
That is a very good point. Arcana, we may want to make sure that the admins of the other Alliance sites are telling the contestants that their stuff is eventually going to get mapped when we do Alliance wide contests. That might make it a bit easier on us.

Robbie
09-11-2007, 03:28 PM
True...I made sure to mention in the September Challenge writeup that the map will probably be utilized by the alliance sites....Ishmayl? Thoughts?

KeshFerrar
09-11-2007, 06:23 PM
True...I made sure to mention in the September Challenge writeup that the map will probably be utilized by the alliance sites....Ishmayl? Thoughts?

I agree, that would have definitely helped. Foresight! We'll get it right next time around.

Personally, I believe using the Glass Ocean or Rushon again next month might be overkill.

Luminous Crayon
09-11-2007, 07:53 PM
True...I made sure to mention in the September Challenge writeup that the map will probably be utilized by the alliance sites....Ishmayl? Thoughts?It's entirely possible that it was mentioned, and I managed to overlook it.

No worries. It really made my day yesterday when I found out all this was going on.

Ishmayl
09-11-2007, 11:30 PM
Well, it was mentioned once on my site, but only in "the Tavern," which means a lot of people probably didn't ever see the message. We'll make sure things are prepared a bit more next time, we're all still kinda new to this "alliance" thing :)

ravells
09-12-2007, 06:59 AM
We still have the potential problem of the CBG writing up Rushon and us mapping it during the same month...

What might be fun one month is to have teams of one person from each of the alliance sites producing maps/fiction/world writeups, with each team doing a separate area of the world as their entry for the competition.

If the idea is that the material appears in some sort of publiction, then by not having everyone work on exactly the same subject we don't end up with duplication and wastage for entries that don't win.

Just my 2 coppers!

Ravs

Ishmayl
09-12-2007, 10:57 AM
That's a very good idea ravells! So good, in fact, that I had the same idea myself about a month ago! ;) We were worried though about the time scales and the amount of people on the individual boards who would participate. Though the CBG has many times the member base as Cartographers Guild and PlotStorming, it for some reason doesn't get as many involved in the contests as the other two sites do. It may be my fault - perhaps I'm doing the wrong contests! (though I have asked advice and such on my site for contests people would prefer). It is also my thought that many of the people from the various sites work on their own schedule, and wouldn't have time to do things such as "meet and discuss the contest and get everything together by a certain date." But I think it's a great idea that has a lot of potential in the future.

ravells
09-12-2007, 11:21 AM
Heh, Great minds think alike!

It might be worth revisiting once the multi-contest snags are shaken out. My main concern though, was that with the present arrangement otherwise good maps/fiction/worlds might not be published because there just happened to be something a little better that month (if you see what I mean).

Ravs

Ishmayl
09-12-2007, 06:14 PM
Oh, we will definitely be revisiting that. I think the idea has a lot of potential and promise!

Luminous Crayon
09-14-2007, 08:13 PM
These entries are pretty much blowing me away. So awesome!

RobA
09-24-2007, 10:33 AM
When is the cut-off date for the entries?

-Rob A>

Amonite
09-24-2007, 11:16 AM
I think it was the 22nd, technically...but since they have not put voting up yet it makes sense to keep going ^.^ And even after voting starts I think we can still post. I am not sure if people are supposed to 'count' things after the deadline though. Anyways, I think the deadline would be more to make sure that we start voting on time than anything else, and anyone who was finished would have an advantage....but I am not sure. It could be we are just not supposed to count anything after the deadline.

I plan to keep posting though, even if they do not count, because my map journal story thing is not finished yet lol - so little time!

ravells
09-24-2007, 03:07 PM
I think (not sure) we have to the end of the month...Arcana will be able to confirm.

Ravs

Amonite
09-24-2007, 03:28 PM
Really? It used to be until 8 days before months end - did it change since the alliances? that would be rater cool...though when would we vote? lol

Robbie
09-25-2007, 10:08 AM
For us its always been 5 days. Which is tomorrow being the cutoff...what I've done in the past is close all the threads for voting...if you want to continue with your entry you'll need to start another thread in a different forum like WIP or something. So there'll be 5 days for voting.