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Sapiento
12-15-2009, 12:54 PM
At least I came up with an idea.
The map shows the annual bloodwinter raids of the Orc to honour the god of ice and snow, Krulbag. The Orcs capture the towns (if they are not defeated), kill ritually the inhabitants and create pyramids of the skulls which they shower with cold water until they have an object of skulls covered by ice. This totem stands until the sun of spring melts the water.

The dates of the raids are - of course - written with blood!

Scary and disgusting, but nobody says that Orcs are nice. ;)

The map is mainly created with Ramah's brushes, I thought it was a good opportunity to test them.

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Gamerprinter
12-15-2009, 01:26 PM
Looks like good use of Ramah's brushes.

Only critique, since this is supposed to be a Winter Map, the background of white depicts this, but the trees look too full of leaves to serve a winter map well. Still good job. Makes for a busy map.

The scrawly red marks of the Orcs actions is difficult to read properly, as well.

GP

Ascension
12-15-2009, 01:27 PM
Pretty cool. The blood might need to be less transparent as I can't really read it...but maybe my eyes are finally going.

Sapiento
12-15-2009, 01:32 PM
Hadn't thought about the trees. Either I change the background or the trees. Difficult to decide, because the map is human-made but used by Orks for their planning. So, would humans make a map depicting their land in winter, during the dark and cold time instead of green and fertile summer?

Concerning the Orc marks - I first tried to make it more clean, but than I thought an Orc with his clumsy hand can not write very clean. Maybe I have to change this

Sapiento
12-15-2009, 01:40 PM
Ok, I removed the transparency of the bloody marks.

If anyone still thinks the text (dates of successful and unsuccessful raids) is ugly, well, it's my own handwriting (you can imagine how my teachers and professors at school and university had received their regular headaches ;) )

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Gamerprinter
12-15-2009, 01:43 PM
Well, by the challenge rules making a Winter Map is part of the challenge - its the primary "Christmas-sy" portion of the Challenge. So the map is supposed to depict winter.

Q: Would humans make a winter map?

A: Most of us are human, and we can make winter maps... while not specifically traditional focusing on winter as a map, how traditional would a map for Orcs ever be?

Looking forward to how you'll tweak the map to fix the small issues mentioned...

GP

Sapiento
12-15-2009, 01:47 PM
Well, by the challenge rules making a Winter Map is part of the challenge - its the primary "Christmas-sy" portion of the Challenge. So the map is supposed to depict winter.

Q: Would humans make a winter map?

A: Most of us are human, and we can make winter maps... while not specifically traditional focusing on winter as a map, how traditional would a map for Orcs ever be?

Looking forward to how you'll tweak the map to fix the small issues mentioned...

GP

Well, I think the only logical solution is to change the trees.

Sapiento
12-15-2009, 02:35 PM
Trees replaced with leafless ones.

To place it in line with the story: the Orcs forced a human mapmaker to draw the map and as payment his head was placed on top of the pyramid (what a nasty method to pay!).

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Gamerprinter
12-15-2009, 02:37 PM
Well that was fast! Good job!

It also makes the map easier to read.

GP

Steel General
12-15-2009, 03:00 PM
Neat idea Sapiento!

I wonder if maybe changing the color of the blood to something more reddish-brown (as though it had dried a bit), would help with the readability?

philipstephen
12-15-2009, 03:14 PM
Looking good! Nice to see Ramah's icons in action.

Maybe the trees could use a bit of variety - but they look wintry for certain!

Also, there is a mountain just to the right of where the red line begins (near top of map) that is still transparent. You can see the mountain behind it through it. I am not sure if you already merged those layers or if they can still be tweaked.

Phil

Ramah
12-15-2009, 03:28 PM
I actually preferred the earlier versions of the map with the normal trees. That being said, I can see how it fits more with the theme to have them leafless. Evergreen trees don't lost their leaves however, so you could have left some of those in, especially near the mountains.

I really like your colouring on the city icons btw, I think they look really good. And the way you've labelled them really puts me in mind of a period map.

The only thing that is really bugging me about the map is the moutain in the top right that is placed over the top of another one so that the one shows through the other.

I like it. And thanks for showing what can be done with those brushes in what seems to be a very short space of time. :)

Sapiento
12-16-2009, 01:25 AM
Looking good! Nice to see Ramah's icons in action.

Maybe the trees could use a bit of variety - but they look wintry for certain!

Also, there is a mountain just to the right of where the red line begins (near top of map) that is still transparent. You can see the mountain behind it through it. I am not sure if you already merged those layers or if they can still be tweaked.

Phil


I actually preferred the earlier versions of the map with the normal trees. That being said, I can see how it fits more with the theme to have them leafless. Evergreen trees don't lost their leaves however, so you could have left some of those in, especially near the mountains.

I really like your colouring on the city icons btw, I think they look really good. And the way you've labelled them really puts me in mind of a period map.

The only thing that is really bugging me about the map is the moutain in the top right that is placed over the top of another one so that the one shows through the other.

I like it. And thanks for showing what can be done with those brushes in what seems to be a very short space of time. :)

Thanks for the hint at the overlapping mountains. I also placed some evergreen trees on the map (had already thought about these yesterday, but was too tired to draw any longer).
The colour of the dried blood is now more brownish-red. I also wrote the marks again, I hope it is now more legible.

Ramah, your brushes allow for very fast and good looking drawing. Simply great.

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