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Chaplaindm
12-19-2009, 10:37 PM
I have Coreldraw 12 and GIMP. I see a lot of tutorials in GIMP but nothing in Coreldraw 12.

Just curious on the reason. Also, when I did a search for Coreldraw it also displayed Inkscape. I am thinking that maybe they are simuliar. If anyone could shed any light on this I would appreciate it.

CHAplain

Ascension
12-19-2009, 11:33 PM
The reason for a lack of tuts for Corel is that, well, only 1 guy here is currently using it (Rythal). You guys can be the trailblazers or just convert other tuts into Corel. As for Inkscape, it is a vector program similar to Illustrator and I am assuming Corel Paint is more like Photoshop or Gimp.

Midgardsormr
12-20-2009, 12:04 AM
Corel Painter is a different program than CorelDRAW. Draw is a vector editor, in Illustrator's weight class, in my opinion. I used to use Draw and PhotoPaint, but I switched to Illustrator and Photoshop for school, and for the sake of greater compatibility with After Effects.

It should be possible to replicate any Inkscape tutorial in Draw, and most of the Illustrator ones. I don't recall seeing anything here that couldn't be done in Corel, although the steps can be significantly different.

Gamerprinter
12-20-2009, 03:08 PM
I used to use Micrografx software, which Corel bought and dumped as competition, but those programs are just fine to map with. I use Xara Xtreme Pro now, but that app is much like Corel as well. Thus if you can use it, and have it, you've got a fine mapping app.

Most of the PNG map objects available can be easily imported and placed on maps created with Corel.

I just don't like Corel as a company, so I don't use their software, but that shouldn't stop you from using it.

Consider that there are currently no specific objects made for Xara, but I use it exclusively and now problem to create any of my maps - even the only tutorials available are ones that I wrote.

GP

Chaplaindm
12-20-2009, 09:45 PM
Thanks for the information. I really like the Corel suite I have but never really thought about it for mapping. I am just getting started and only in my spare time. I really don't want to learn a brand new program.

I will look at some of the tut's and see what I can do!

Chaplaindm
12-22-2009, 10:24 PM
I found a pretty good starting tutorial. A little old but definately worth the trip.

http://www.le.ac.uk/elh/friends/resources/Mapping%20Skills%20Tutorial/Mapping%20Skills%20Tutorial.pdf

It also introduces a product called GenMap. It is at the bottom.\

If anyone knows of any good Corel Draw 12 tutorials for map making let me know!

Gamerprinter
12-23-2009, 12:10 AM
Since you're familiar with Corel, use that primarily, but one thought is to give the Xara Xtreme trial download a try, if I remember right it is a 14 day free trial (fully functional). As a previous Micrografx user (similar to Corel), I found Xara quickly usable and vastly superior, despite its lower price (much lower than Corel as well), though I use the Pro version which is comparably priced.

For mapping the non-pro version is just fine (I think its $49 to $70).

Then you could actually try my tutorials offered here!

GP

Rythal
12-27-2009, 11:42 AM
Hmm I havent actually done any work in Draw for a while, I prefer to use Photo-Paint nowadays, but if you want my advice, I would strongly suggest that you just start messing around with the program, getting a feel for what it can do. I've only done a bit of regional mapping in there, but yah, just test out how far you can push its limits. Working with curves is another thing which you might want to figure out( taking a rectangle, converting to curves, and then slowly but surely distorting its outline to get the outline of a desired continent).

Also, fills and transperencys are your friends.

But personally, I think that photo paint is easier to work with. Do you have the entire suite, or just Draw?

Gamerprinter
12-27-2009, 01:21 PM
I'm not trying to focus on my style of mapping, rather to show what "pushing a vector app for mapping" really means...

Here are several maps of mine that are pretty exclusively using a vector program to create a map, though a few notes have to made in that I sometimes import 3D generated objects as filler material, as well as using photorealistic textures as fills.

Continent of Celanta (http://www.cartographersguild.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=5425&d=1216843299)

Temple of the Sea God (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=3725)

This one incorporates a scanned hand-drawing as part of the map (a process I use quite a bit... Daitengu Mountain Pass (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=6422)

Sea Dragon Temple (http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=7000)

All these maps use Xara Xtreme Pro - a vector drawing app, not a Paint program.

Is this what you mean by "pushing a Vector app" as far as it can go?

GP

Rythal
12-27-2009, 07:17 PM
I was thinking of more just exploring each tool and its capabilities, and seeing how well they work together. If you get a basic understanding about how everything works, you can start applying that knowledge to whatever style you are looking for.

I haven't heard of Xara, though those are some pretty decent maps you have there.

but yes, exploring what the tools available to you are capable of is essential regardless of what program one may be using.

Chaplaindm
12-28-2009, 02:29 PM
Gamerprinter- I looked at the program you mentioned and it really looks great! But I just don't want to get into another software. I got the entire Corel suite (CorelDraw, PhotoPaint, Corel trace (Paint Shop Pro - I purchased seperately) and Rave 3) so I could learn ONE software that works well with each other. It seemed to be able to do everything from Web Pages to artwork to book covers... Then I started using a lot of other software and did a big circle right back to it:)

So as far as I am concerned I would rather be a master of one then a jack of all trades and master of none!!! ha ha ha...

But really, I am really enjoyint the Corel stuff and do not want the learning curve again.

Thanks though! your maps look awesome and lets me know that you can do a lot with Vector programs... especially since I can do some swapping between the vector Corel draw and paint shop pro.

Rythal- I have the CorelDraw 12 but am thinking about upgrading to the latest corelX3 (or is it 4?).

I love your signature by the way!

Gamerprinter
12-28-2009, 05:27 PM
I wasn't trying to push you towards Xara, so much as to show you what's possible within one program - in this case a vector program. Having the entire Corel Suite, gives you all the variety of tools necessary to do whatever you need, including maps.

Lots of people who use an image editor alone, has a slanted view at what a vector app can do - I just wanted to reveal the truth about vector apps and to show what one might normally conceive as being image-editing can actually be from a vector app - my examples were only to prove that point.

I too dabble with GIMP and Photoshop, really only to tweak a fill texture, cleanup a 3D image, perform light duty image editing/alteration.

Many people here map exclusively from a Paint app, and nothing wrong with that, however, I do notice that when using lots of layers, Paint programs tend to chew up lots of memory, making redraw or zooming in, exceeding taxing to one's patience.

I have little patience and a great desire to get as much done in a short a period as possible. To me, only a vector app will let you do that, with a minimal amount of dedicated resources.

You've already got the tools, now learn to use it specifically for mapping.

Good luck in your endeavors!

Edit: the other advantage of vector apps, is that a given map design is not resolution dependant as it is with an Image Editor. Any map I design can be exported to any pixel dimension. So I can make a map that is only 800 x 600 pixels intended for online use, or export the same design as 300 ppi 36" x 48". Using GIMP or other image editor, you set the pixel size at the start of the design and then you are stuck with that limitation. Not so with a vector app.

GP

Chaplaindm
12-29-2009, 10:37 AM
Thanks for the encourageing words!

I too was wondering if a vector app was a second rate way to creating a map. Good to know someone is creating great stuff with it.

viswa
01-27-2010, 07:53 AM
hi for creating vector based maps coreldraw is suitable,
i have drawn many topo maps, some city maps using corel draw.
with some hours of work you can create maps in coreldraw
but for maps which require frequent correction or modification, corel based vector map is tedious
i had spend more than 100 hours in map making in corel draw

Midgardsormr
01-27-2010, 12:12 PM
What specifically do you find tedious about making revisions in CorelDRAW? I haven't used it in some time, but I don't recall it being any more of a pain to change something there than in any other vector app that I have used.

Chaplaindm
01-28-2010, 02:38 PM
Update on this:

I have been going through one of Ascensions tutorials using Paint Shop Pro (the antique map) and will try it next in Corel Photo Paint and in Corel Draw. Anyway, I am finding it doable in Paint Shop Pro so far.

I am a little stuck though. Does anyone know where the "filter/ render/ clouds Photoshop Equivalent is in Paint Shop Pro? I am thinking I may have to get an "effects" plug in. Does anyone have one?

I will keep you updated but I really should be writing!!!

Rythal
01-28-2010, 09:00 PM
I seem to recall trying to follow his tut in photo paint and getting stuck on that part. The best solution I found was taking a cloud texture fill and putting it onto a new layer, then playing around with the merges. But I'm not familiar with paint shop pro, so I dont know anything about how it works. If you have any questions about photo-paint though, I'll be happy to oblige you. :)

Edit: just as a side note, I came out with a tut for corel Photo paint, linked in my sig