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    Default towns/cities vs castles

    I'm having some trouble when it comes to labeling my map. Basically, my confusion comes down to using 'city/town icons' vs. 'castle icons'.
    Like, in situations where a settlement is either around a castle/fort, or else they're close enough that they'd occupy roughly the same spot on the map. For example, I wanna put down your typical castle-town somewhere. Or say it's a sizable city instead, perhaps the capital or a trade hub, and the ruler's castle is on a nearbye hill overlooking the city.
    I guess maybe with the castle-towns, a 'castle icon' would be more appropiate? But what about larger settlements? If I use a 'city icon', how would I indicate that there's also an adjacent fortification without trying to smush the two icons next to each other?

    On a related note, just how common were "urban" castles, those near or within settlements?

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    Make a third icon for fortified town?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hikki-Jin View Post
    just how common were "urban" castles, those near or within settlements?
    Very common. Isolated fortresses and castles usually belonged only to robber knights.
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    I have to disagree with that. The cathar castles (south France), previously built to protect the boundary from Kingdom of Aragon ( in Spain), are some isolated ones that belongs to local lords that welcomed the cathars who sought refuge there.
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    Isolated fortresses and castles usually belonged only to robber knights.
    Isolated castles existed at strategic locations (near borders, trade routes, straits, etc.), or just when the owner could not provide a location next to the castle where a town could survive economically (other towns were too close, or there was no possibility for sufficient supply with goods, or no trade route existed)

    A village was often established next to the castle, but when there already existed some rural structures, the castle was often built at a place which was easy to defend (even when there was no possibility to found a village nearby)


    'city/town icons' vs. 'castle icons'.
    Castle icons were usually the icons of the owners' families. Those icons were subdivided into a part of the lords' family's icon, and another part of the icon of the lady.
    Cities were granted special icons by their owners when they reached a certain degree of independence. Those icons were not subdivided (at least not because of a marriage ), but showed a single symbol (like a town wall, a tower, or sometimes the sign of a saint which was related to the town).

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    The poster was referring to map icons, not crests. Furthermore, I would go with what Max said. Make more icons.

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