I have learned so much from Rob A's tutorial for gimp I praised him I hope that's how I give him rep on his post. I'm delirously happy and my wife is grumpily upset over my new hobby. Mission accomplished Rob . I sure those who are married or with a hunny understand hehe. So I scrapped the first map to share this one that I am very proud of still allot of tweaks and more to do but im very happy and I got this far on 1 sitting this time. I read a tutorial about ISO images for mountains I would like to understand how that works becuase I could use that technique for my castles and cities. Any info enlighten me plz or direct me in the right direction thx.