Hi all, new member on board.

[Redrobes]

Got a friend of mine who runs a really old MUD. I can dig out the name if you like but I dont know it off top of my head.

So do you have the tile features in any kind of data base whatsoever. Ideally do you have them mapped already in some ascii way cos even on this site I have an ascii to map generator.

But even if the maps just knew the numbers of exits then I reckon we could script up the basic shapes. From there we have scripts which will convert basic shapes into nice rendered maps.

So whats the starting point ?

Welcome BTW.

[Aylorian]

Got a friend of mine who runs a really old MUD. I can dig out the name if you like but I dont know it off top of my head.

So do you have the tile features in any kind of data base whatsoever. Ideally do you have them mapped already in some ascii way cos even on this site I have an ascii to map generator.

But even if the maps just knew the numbers of exits then I reckon we could script up the basic shapes. From there we have scripts which will convert basic shapes into nice rendered maps.

So whats the starting point ?

Welcome BTW.

Hi Redrobes,

Those maps I linked to above were generated from the exits by a program in the game. The map starts at the center square and follows the exits drawing as it goes, so the data is there. The "edge" is variable, the players see a 7x7 section of the map for now, but could just as easily see the entire area. The game also tracks which rooms a player has already explored, so could also display the entire area but only what's already been visited, perhaps with a couple of rooms "line of sight" in the rooms they haven't.

Each room has a "terrain" Id such as "forest1" "forest2" "road-nw" "road-ew" etc which maps to a different ASCII tile. We'd have to be much more granular with graphical tiles, but I don't think the basic premise would change much - it was always designed with graphical tiles in mind.

Does that help answer your question? Open to all options at this point but after seeing Tom's Shadowfell map I have a pretty good idea of where we want to go.

[Redrobes]

I'm sorry I didnt read your opening post at all well did I ?

It seems really clear to me that your looking at a scripted solution since you have all the data you need its just a conversion job and a prettying up job. My little script I posted just does black and white squares but you can convert those into real nice dungeons. I'll edit some links in, in a mo but RobA has his dungeon map prittifier script for Gimp and I use some homebrew solutions too.

So if you have this information already then it can be turned into nice high res bitmaps without too much fuss and I do think that once the format has been translated correctly then you really might well be looking at doing your 40,000 maps overnight. Well maybe over two or three nights anyway depending on your PC capabilities

For example I can convert a black and white map into full textured one in about 10 seconds. So if you can get your data into a format that can make a set of black and white masks then I can make the bitmaps.

So.... looking at your ascii maps, what do the symbols mean ? Can you take a bit of one map, post the ascii for it and maybe sketch out with a pen what that might look like, or at least describe in detail what were experiencing in that sector.

From where I am looking at this point its not all that difficult a job. (Not that I don't have about six billion other jobs like that to do but hey...). Its not just me that does a lot of scripting here tho so you might get more interest too.

Edit:
Rob's http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=2759
Mine http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=2659

[Aylorian]

I'm sorry I didnt read your opening post at all well did I ?

It seems really clear to me that your looking at a scripted solution since you have all the data you need its just a conversion job and a prettying up job. My little script I posted just does black and white squares but you can convert those into real nice dungeons. I'll edit some links in, in a mo but RobA has his dungeon map prittifier script for Gimp and I use some homebrew solutions too.

So if you have this information already then it can be turned into nice high res bitmaps without too much fuss and I do think that once the format has been translated correctly then you really might well be looking at doing your 40,000 maps overnight. Well maybe over two or three nights anyway depending on your PC capabilities

For example I can convert a black and white map into full textured one in about 10 seconds. So if you can get your data into a format that can make a set of black and white masks then I can make the bitmaps.

So.... looking at your ascii maps, what do the symbols mean ? Can you take a bit of one map, post the ascii for it and maybe sketch out with a pen what that might look like, or at least describe in detail what were experiencing in that sector.

From where I am looking at this point its not all that difficult a job. (Not that I don't have about six billion other jobs like that to do but hey...). Its not just me that does a lot of scripting here tho so you might get more interest too.

Edit:
Rob's http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=2759
Mine http://www.cartographersguild.com/showthread.php?t=2659

Wow, I just took a look at your script (pasted in the sample file). Converting all rooms via scripts even as a starting point sure would be nice.

I'm not sure we actually need to generate the maps though - the game itself will do that. After seeing some of the maps on here I thought they would be great to break down into 'tiles' to build the maps as we go and it would be easier for mappers to just draw a map and let us worry about breaking it down / serving up the pieces. So, we'd start from a full map of an area to get the "feel" for the whole thing but break it down into the individual tiles and let the game generate the map as you move.

I may not be explaining this well, after 12 years of working on a text game I feel like I'm learning a completely new world - but the game wouldn't store a huge jpg (or whatever) of a map then display the appropriate part, more that it would know you're in a room where the sector type is 'cave231' or and display that tile. Seeing that the room to the east is sector 'cave232' which (graphically) meshes nicely with 'cave231' it would display that tile to the east, etc etc. Hopefully we'd be able to re-use a lot of the tiles in various places, if only to keep down the amount of data the server has to push to the client.

After seeing your online script though, it sure would be easier to generate the outline maps with something like that, fill in the details and break _that_ back down into its pieces.

On the map itself btw, the symbols don't mean much. The yellow '!' symbols mean a monster is in the room. The red * means another player. Most of the other area just the ASCII tiles that correspond to sectors. The green * ) is a forest. As it's all ascii, we just have a couple of forest sectors, not the dozens we'd be dealing with in graphics. The map of 'Aylor' has more "detail", but it's just different sector types that (other than the center character) will always output the same thing. The blue ~ ~ at the bottom is water. If we want 'waves' (ocean) there's also a couple of ^ ~ and ~ ^. It sounds primitive (and it is), but within the context of a text game actually works.

Btw, is it ok for us to keep this going in the intro area? Really appreciate the interest you've shown in this (thanks!), just want to make sure we're in the right place.