Yeah, Concetron does look much better. I really wish that either PF or FastCAD would come up with a solution to that problem. I might use the software a bit more if the final product didn't look so nasty at times. As it is, I am experimenting with using CD3 for layout and doing all the visualization in Photoshop. I haven't gotten very far with that, though. Maybe I'll buckle down and come up with something for this month's challenge.